WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.160 Hello everyone and welcome to another virtual programme 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:07.810 with the National Portrait Gallery. 3 00:00:07.810 --> 00:00:09.600 Thank you so much for joining us today, 4 00:00:09.600 --> 00:00:11.690 it's so nice to see so many familiar faces 5 00:00:11.690 --> 00:00:13.940 and names coming through our Zoom room today. 6 00:00:15.200 --> 00:00:16.410 Before we get underway, 7 00:00:16.410 --> 00:00:19.110 I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians, 8 00:00:19.110 --> 00:00:21.560 of the lands on which we're broadcasting from today, 9 00:00:21.560 --> 00:00:23.520 which are the Ngambri and the Ngunnawal peoples. 10 00:00:23.520 --> 00:00:25.330 And I'd like to extend a warm welcome, 11 00:00:25.330 --> 00:00:27.330 to any first nations people who are joining us 12 00:00:27.330 --> 00:00:28.913 from around Australia today. 13 00:00:30.328 --> 00:00:31.410 If you would like to, 14 00:00:31.410 --> 00:00:33.930 we'd really encourage you to leave your cameras on, 15 00:00:33.930 --> 00:00:35.440 it's always lovely to see faces. 16 00:00:35.440 --> 00:00:37.440 What a surprise that people at Portrait Galleries 17 00:00:37.440 --> 00:00:39.480 who work at Portrait Galleries like to see faces. 18 00:00:39.480 --> 00:00:40.640 So if you feel comfortable, 19 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:42.840 please feel free to leave your cameras on 20 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:44.090 and throughout the programme today, 21 00:00:44.090 --> 00:00:47.410 if you'd like to interact with both Penny or myself, 22 00:00:47.410 --> 00:00:50.180 please pop any questions, comments, observations, 23 00:00:50.180 --> 00:00:52.500 into the chats function at Zoom, 24 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:54.500 should be along the bottom of your device. 25 00:00:54.500 --> 00:00:57.100 And we always love to have your input into these programmes, 26 00:00:57.100 --> 00:00:59.060 we keep them highly interactive, 27 00:00:59.060 --> 00:01:01.240 as I'm sure most of you are very well aware 28 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:03.660 and very familiar with our format now. 29 00:01:03.660 --> 00:01:05.500 Speaking of interaction, 30 00:01:05.500 --> 00:01:09.360 these Thursday programmes were developed rapidly, 31 00:01:09.360 --> 00:01:11.420 during last Canberra lockdown 32 00:01:11.420 --> 00:01:13.260 to bring you some conversations, 33 00:01:13.260 --> 00:01:18.260 with artists and photographers and also our MPG staff. 34 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:21.910 And one of those programmes that we developed 35 00:01:21.910 --> 00:01:25.180 was The Brains Trust of Penny Grist. 36 00:01:25.180 --> 00:01:26.940 One of our curators who, 37 00:01:26.940 --> 00:01:28.480 decided to have a little bit of a play, 38 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:30.450 we kinda made these programmes at Sandbox 39 00:01:30.450 --> 00:01:32.900 and we said, what can technology bring us, 40 00:01:32.900 --> 00:01:36.440 that maybe you can't necessarily do in the gallery space? 41 00:01:36.440 --> 00:01:38.540 And it turns out there were a few things. 42 00:01:38.540 --> 00:01:40.610 It meant that we could get up close and personal 43 00:01:40.610 --> 00:01:41.870 with some of the works in a way 44 00:01:41.870 --> 00:01:43.830 that our security guards would have connections 45 00:01:43.830 --> 00:01:46.990 about if you actually did in the physical gallery itself. 46 00:01:46.990 --> 00:01:49.450 But it also meant that we can get your feedback 47 00:01:49.450 --> 00:01:51.400 and input into the programmes. 48 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.870 So we're gonna revisit a programme that Penny developed 49 00:01:54.870 --> 00:01:57.480 or format for a programme that Penny developed a while back 50 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.390 where you get to take us, you the audience, 51 00:02:00.390 --> 00:02:02.740 get to take us on a little bit of a journey. 52 00:02:02.740 --> 00:02:06.070 So the only prescribed part of this programme really, 53 00:02:06.070 --> 00:02:08.090 is our starting point. 54 00:02:08.090 --> 00:02:09.530 And what did dishy starting point, 55 00:02:09.530 --> 00:02:11.360 is dishy a word Penny? 56 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:12.820 Do we still use dishy? 57 00:02:12.820 --> 00:02:14.310 It sounds very old fashioned to me, 58 00:02:14.310 --> 00:02:17.070 but I'm bringing it back, anyway I'm gonna own dishy. 59 00:02:17.070 --> 00:02:20.070 So we're gonna start with a very dishy subject, 60 00:02:20.070 --> 00:02:22.350 Hugh Jackman, so I've got my friends, 61 00:02:22.350 --> 00:02:23.494 the art installer was here. 62 00:02:23.494 --> 00:02:25.140 We shot these works, 63 00:02:25.140 --> 00:02:28.610 Hugh Jackman was a relatively newly acquired portrait. 64 00:02:28.610 --> 00:02:30.450 We'd been after him for years, 65 00:02:30.450 --> 00:02:32.510 but we finally managed to secure this portrait 66 00:02:32.510 --> 00:02:35.440 and I've took all of these fantastic instal shots 67 00:02:35.440 --> 00:02:36.793 with our art handlers, 68 00:02:37.630 --> 00:02:39.480 ready for the announcement of the portrait, 69 00:02:39.480 --> 00:02:40.620 we never ended up using them. 70 00:02:40.620 --> 00:02:41.960 So I said to Penny this morning, 71 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.183 right, our art handlers are getting a gauncy, 72 00:02:45.183 --> 00:02:46.720 they're getting out in front of our audience, 73 00:02:46.720 --> 00:02:47.790 whether they like it or not. 74 00:02:47.790 --> 00:02:50.410 So here they are, both behind Penny and myself 75 00:02:50.410 --> 00:02:52.740 installing Hugh Jackman on the wall. 76 00:02:52.740 --> 00:02:54.790 Penny, do you wanna take us on a journey? 77 00:02:56.180 --> 00:02:57.483 Yes, thank you so much. 78 00:02:57.483 --> 00:03:00.650 Your life got James, our amazing art handler beside me. 79 00:03:00.650 --> 00:03:02.930 While, Hugh still on the trolley there. 80 00:03:02.930 --> 00:03:06.353 So I'm now just gonna bring Hugh right up behind me. 81 00:03:08.190 --> 00:03:09.023 There we go. 82 00:03:10.300 --> 00:03:14.370 So we've called this programme Six Degrees of Hugh Jackman. 83 00:03:14.370 --> 00:03:17.820 Now that is entirely not so much for the dishyness 84 00:03:17.820 --> 00:03:20.550 but actually because he had the right number of syllables 85 00:03:20.550 --> 00:03:24.240 to mirror the number of syllables in the word separation, 86 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.680 'cause we all know Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, 87 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:28.730 Six Degrees of Hugh Jackman was the closest 88 00:03:28.730 --> 00:03:30.330 I could get in their collection. 89 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:33.190 Another time we'll have, 90 00:03:33.190 --> 00:03:34.770 Six Degrees of Edmund Capon, 91 00:03:34.770 --> 00:03:37.300 he was the other one that was quite close. 92 00:03:37.300 --> 00:03:38.840 But I just wanted to start with a word 93 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:40.200 about this Six Degrees thing, 94 00:03:40.200 --> 00:03:43.200 which I actually learned about recently 95 00:03:43.200 --> 00:03:45.400 and maybe you're all know this, 96 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:48.780 but it was actually a term founded or coined, 97 00:03:48.780 --> 00:03:50.260 by Stanley Milgram, 98 00:03:50.260 --> 00:03:55.260 the famous American experimental psychologist, in 1967. 99 00:03:56.410 --> 00:03:58.500 So it has a like a dated vintage. 100 00:03:58.500 --> 00:04:02.330 What he did was send a whole lot of, 101 00:04:02.330 --> 00:04:04.820 like hundreds of people, a package 102 00:04:04.820 --> 00:04:09.010 and they needed to get it back to one Boston stockbroker 103 00:04:09.010 --> 00:04:11.010 that they could not possibly have known, 104 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:15.150 by sending it only to acquaintances. 105 00:04:15.150 --> 00:04:17.070 And what he worked out was that, 106 00:04:17.070 --> 00:04:19.200 basically that took six connections, 107 00:04:19.200 --> 00:04:22.510 to get back to this totally unknown guy. 108 00:04:22.510 --> 00:04:24.860 So there you go and it's called the Small World Theory. 109 00:04:24.860 --> 00:04:26.410 So again, that small world thing, 110 00:04:26.410 --> 00:04:29.130 has it been teach, the long predates, 111 00:04:29.130 --> 00:04:31.390 all our social media networks. 112 00:04:31.390 --> 00:04:33.518 Anyway, that's just a little bit of, 113 00:04:33.518 --> 00:04:34.351 (laughs) 114 00:04:34.351 --> 00:04:36.700 bit of a digression to start off. 115 00:04:36.700 --> 00:04:38.820 So as with all these other programmes, 116 00:04:38.820 --> 00:04:43.570 if you're a regulars, I start off with the connection. 117 00:04:43.570 --> 00:04:48.150 We have a little bit have a look at the portrait in time. 118 00:04:48.150 --> 00:04:50.300 So, when the portrait was made 119 00:04:50.300 --> 00:04:52.460 and what that person was doing at that time, 120 00:04:52.460 --> 00:04:54.500 'cause I always think that's quite an interesting way, 121 00:04:54.500 --> 00:04:57.220 of exploring someone's biography. 122 00:04:57.220 --> 00:04:59.350 We have a little bit of a bit about the portrait 123 00:04:59.350 --> 00:05:03.210 and it's making, so a little bit of a quick close look 124 00:05:03.210 --> 00:05:06.060 and then we might throw in one or two fun facts 125 00:05:06.060 --> 00:05:10.360 before moving on to see which way you take me next. 126 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.000 Now, this one has a little bit of a difference, 127 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:17.210 because what I've built into this one are a few loops. 128 00:05:17.210 --> 00:05:21.010 So let's see if we make some loops 129 00:05:21.010 --> 00:05:23.760 or reach some dead ends and have to go back. 130 00:05:23.760 --> 00:05:27.860 So, let's see how we explore this particular, 131 00:05:27.860 --> 00:05:29.280 degrees of connection. 132 00:05:29.280 --> 00:05:32.500 In fact, you can get 10 degrees of Hugh Jackman 133 00:05:32.500 --> 00:05:34.810 out of this programmes not the advertised six, 134 00:05:34.810 --> 00:05:36.183 if we go the right way. 135 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:41.800 So let's just start with this portrait to begin. 136 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.400 Now, this was actually one of our most recent commissions, 137 00:05:45.400 --> 00:05:49.200 so painted in 2020 by Vincent Fantauzzo, 138 00:05:49.200 --> 00:05:51.620 the Melbourne artist, an interesting year, 139 00:05:51.620 --> 00:05:54.300 to be commissioning a portrait of an, 140 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:56.280 by an artist based in Melbourne, 141 00:05:56.280 --> 00:05:59.030 of an active base between Sydney and New York. 142 00:05:59.030 --> 00:06:03.980 So, part of the portrait painting was based on Zoom calls, 143 00:06:03.980 --> 00:06:08.980 like this one and also on photographs that Hugh's partner, 144 00:06:09.530 --> 00:06:12.200 Debora-Lee Furness also an amazing actress, 145 00:06:12.200 --> 00:06:13.870 own right, took. 146 00:06:13.870 --> 00:06:16.170 And Vincent has commented that, 147 00:06:16.170 --> 00:06:19.973 that look in his eyes of sort of knowing and trusting. 148 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.070 He thinks might have partly come, 149 00:06:23.070 --> 00:06:25.550 from that part of the process, 150 00:06:25.550 --> 00:06:27.370 with his sort of partner getting involved there 151 00:06:27.370 --> 00:06:30.820 so that Vincent has some material to work with. 152 00:06:30.820 --> 00:06:33.630 The other thing I really love about this portrait is that 153 00:06:33.630 --> 00:06:37.160 and something the artist has also commented on is, 154 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:40.040 it's so not a Wolverine portrait. 155 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.470 You couldn't actually get a portrait of this actor 156 00:06:42.470 --> 00:06:45.260 that is any further distant from his, 157 00:06:45.260 --> 00:06:48.133 most famed and awarded, 158 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:53.470 "X-Men" character as Wolverine. 159 00:06:53.470 --> 00:06:56.550 And I think it's much closer to one of the most delightful, 160 00:06:56.550 --> 00:06:59.310 parts of his biography that I really love, 161 00:06:59.310 --> 00:07:02.070 which is that he spent his gap year in England, 162 00:07:02.070 --> 00:07:05.250 teaching PE, physical education. 163 00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:07.200 If there's anyone out there that was taught PE, 164 00:07:07.200 --> 00:07:09.960 by Hugh Jackman in his gap year, 165 00:07:09.960 --> 00:07:11.030 I think we'd love to hear from them. 166 00:07:11.030 --> 00:07:14.100 That would be one degree of separation, right? 167 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:16.630 That would be one degree of separation, 168 00:07:16.630 --> 00:07:19.810 but I feel like that's much more the relaxed, 169 00:07:19.810 --> 00:07:21.670 it's the person, not the actor, 170 00:07:21.670 --> 00:07:23.840 it's very much not in character. 171 00:07:23.840 --> 00:07:26.410 Something I also find particularly fascinating 172 00:07:26.410 --> 00:07:27.973 about portraits of actors. 173 00:07:28.810 --> 00:07:31.890 There's a lovely, lovely intimacy to it 174 00:07:31.890 --> 00:07:34.920 and casualness to it, not only in the way, he's dressed, 175 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.713 but also in the way he's posed. 176 00:07:39.210 --> 00:07:42.170 So, I mean, it's hard to get enough of Hugh Jackman, 177 00:07:42.170 --> 00:07:44.710 but should we move on or we'll never get through, 178 00:07:44.710 --> 00:07:46.743 this web of connection. 179 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:52.670 So Hugh joe, should we go to next, what are the choices? 180 00:07:52.670 --> 00:07:53.860 Hmm, let's see, Hector, 181 00:07:53.860 --> 00:07:55.880 if we can bring up the two choices. 182 00:07:55.880 --> 00:07:57.100 line:15% We have, 183 00:07:57.100 --> 00:08:00.987 line:15% Reg Livermore and Kate Grenville. 184 00:08:00.987 --> 00:08:04.973 line:15% That should have raised approach there looking solitary. 185 00:08:06.840 --> 00:08:09.760 line:15% All right, so should we ask our audience, 186 00:08:09.760 --> 00:08:12.360 line:15% to tell us which path we might take? 187 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:14.590 line:15% I'm gonna launch the poll. 188 00:08:14.590 --> 00:08:16.955 line:15% Tell me which way I'm gonna go people. 189 00:08:16.955 --> 00:08:18.800 line:15% So you should have a poll 190 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.560 line:15% appearing on your device now. 191 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.390 line:15% You can select either Reg or Kate. 192 00:08:22.390 --> 00:08:25.700 line:15% I can see the votes coming in thick and fast. 193 00:08:25.700 --> 00:08:28.080 line:15% Ooh, it's like a, it's a race. 194 00:08:28.080 --> 00:08:30.670 line:15% We'll probably give people, mm-hmm, 195 00:08:30.670 --> 00:08:33.773 line:15% maybe another few seconds, just to make a selection. 196 00:08:35.230 --> 00:08:36.653 line:15% And, 197 00:08:38.140 --> 00:08:41.380 line:15% that's it, ending the poll now. 198 00:08:41.380 --> 00:08:43.970 line:15% Sharing the results with you all. 199 00:08:43.970 --> 00:08:46.260 line:15% It looks like Reg maybe my comment about him, 200 00:08:46.260 --> 00:08:48.050 line:15% looking solitary has come out on top. 201 00:08:48.050 --> 00:08:50.433 line:15% So we're going down Reg Livermore path. 202 00:08:50.433 --> 00:08:52.947 line:15% Have we gone from dishy to solitary . 203 00:08:53.915 --> 00:08:56.333 line:15% Now I'm making up all the words today. 204 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:00.870 Brilliant, all right. 205 00:09:00.870 --> 00:09:02.967 I'm gonna get, since you've chosen Reg, 206 00:09:02.967 --> 00:09:05.593 I'm gonna bring Reg up behind me as well. 207 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.210 All right, so we've chosen Reg Livermore. 208 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:10.543 So again, 209 00:09:11.860 --> 00:09:14.540 star of screen and stage. 210 00:09:14.540 --> 00:09:16.730 So in that sense, he already has something in common, 211 00:09:16.730 --> 00:09:17.580 with Hugh Jackman, 212 00:09:17.580 --> 00:09:19.440 but he's got another connection, 213 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:21.400 that goes back a little bit further. 214 00:09:21.400 --> 00:09:23.930 And it's one that seems to come up every now and again, 215 00:09:23.930 --> 00:09:25.240 in his programmes. 216 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.763 And it's not necessarily the one you would expect. 217 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:30.930 They both went to the same high school, 218 00:09:31.800 --> 00:09:36.140 not at the same time, but they both went to Knox in Sydney. 219 00:09:36.140 --> 00:09:39.780 So Hugh Jackman was, star of their production, 220 00:09:39.780 --> 00:09:42.210 of "My Fair Lady", as you can imagine 221 00:09:42.210 --> 00:09:44.070 and was school captain. 222 00:09:44.070 --> 00:09:46.930 Reg had a slightly different approach to school. 223 00:09:46.930 --> 00:09:50.530 He left at early having for a few years, 224 00:09:50.530 --> 00:09:53.460 been working notes as well as doing school, 225 00:09:53.460 --> 00:09:56.010 working notes at The Independent Theatre 226 00:09:56.010 --> 00:09:58.890 and where he'd done some acting classes 227 00:09:58.890 --> 00:10:01.250 and sort of just went straight on the stage. 228 00:10:01.250 --> 00:10:04.110 So from about the age of 13, 229 00:10:04.110 --> 00:10:06.270 Reg Livermore was already hiring holes 230 00:10:06.270 --> 00:10:08.700 so he could stage his own pantomimes. 231 00:10:08.700 --> 00:10:12.350 So you could see the the theatre was in his blood 232 00:10:12.350 --> 00:10:16.330 and another person who's loved the theatre he was in, 233 00:10:16.330 --> 00:10:19.830 was the photographer of this amazing portrait 234 00:10:19.830 --> 00:10:20.663 in the collection. 235 00:10:20.663 --> 00:10:23.690 We've got many, many portraits by Robert McFarlane, 236 00:10:23.690 --> 00:10:27.273 in the collection and this is one of my absolute favourites. 237 00:10:28.270 --> 00:10:32.300 I relatively knew acquisition, over the last few years 238 00:10:32.300 --> 00:10:34.840 as Robert's been going through his archive. 239 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.370 And it's just such a lovely, 240 00:10:37.370 --> 00:10:40.500 young moment but also exemplifies, 241 00:10:40.500 --> 00:10:43.980 that sort of sense of street photography of just capturing 242 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:47.070 what Robert calls, the sort of still point 243 00:10:47.070 --> 00:10:49.990 as the world is moving around. 244 00:10:49.990 --> 00:10:53.510 And you've got this lovely moment of sort of contemplation 245 00:10:53.510 --> 00:10:56.650 and not showing us not being on stage. 246 00:10:56.650 --> 00:10:58.950 And again, it has that in common, 247 00:10:58.950 --> 00:11:00.543 with the Hugh Jackman portrait. 248 00:11:01.680 --> 00:11:05.880 So should we position Reg Livermore in time here? 249 00:11:05.880 --> 00:11:10.180 So 1965, for anyone that remembers, 250 00:11:10.180 --> 00:11:11.840 television of that time, 251 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:13.713 he was the alien Varossa, 252 00:11:14.615 --> 00:11:17.807 on the ABC Sci-Fi show, "The Stranger", 253 00:11:18.760 --> 00:11:20.440 at the time this portrait was made, 254 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:22.150 hard to imagine, but, you know. 255 00:11:22.150 --> 00:11:25.780 He was also performing as the witch in the "Wizard of Oz", 256 00:11:25.780 --> 00:11:30.120 at the Tivoli, right around the time this portrait was made. 257 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.010 Robert McFarlane basically embedded himself 258 00:11:33.010 --> 00:11:35.890 with Sydney theatres, at this time. 259 00:11:35.890 --> 00:11:39.430 He was hanging out in dressing rooms, in the audience, 260 00:11:39.430 --> 00:11:41.660 in rehearsals, on the stage. 261 00:11:41.660 --> 00:11:45.603 And so you get this beautiful suite of intimate portraits. 262 00:11:47.680 --> 00:11:51.740 So Penny, I think I'm having a quick look at our website. 263 00:11:51.740 --> 00:11:53.010 There's a cool little function, 264 00:11:53.010 --> 00:11:54.810 that people may not have noticed before, 265 00:11:54.810 --> 00:11:58.680 but our web programmer Patrick decided one day 266 00:11:58.680 --> 00:12:00.610 that it would be interesting for people to find out 267 00:12:00.610 --> 00:12:03.900 how old the people were when the portraits were taken. 268 00:12:03.900 --> 00:12:06.170 So if you jump on our website and follow any of the links 269 00:12:06.170 --> 00:12:08.890 that our friend Matt is dropping into the chat, 270 00:12:08.890 --> 00:12:11.370 you'll discover that Robert McFarlane was 23, 271 00:12:11.370 --> 00:12:14.890 when he took this photograph and Reg Livermore was 27. 272 00:12:14.890 --> 00:12:17.370 So just a nice little, if you scroll down on the page, 273 00:12:17.370 --> 00:12:19.570 it's a little bit of information right at the bottom. 274 00:12:19.570 --> 00:12:22.000 And that happens, is there for every single portrait 275 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:22.833 in that collection. 276 00:12:22.833 --> 00:12:24.630 And some of them are really interesting, 277 00:12:24.630 --> 00:12:25.940 when you say how old they were, 278 00:12:25.940 --> 00:12:27.890 when the portraits were actually taken. 279 00:12:28.910 --> 00:12:31.380 Yeah, it is really interesting. 280 00:12:31.380 --> 00:12:33.084 I loved it when Patrick added that, 281 00:12:33.084 --> 00:12:33.917 (laughs) 282 00:12:33.917 --> 00:12:36.190 that element to the website 283 00:12:36.190 --> 00:12:39.480 and particularly for someone like Reg Livermore, 284 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:44.480 who's such a, spans the generations in terms of his presence 285 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.980 in the theatre and on our TV screens. 286 00:12:47.980 --> 00:12:50.770 I mean, he won an Helpmann Award in 2014, 287 00:12:50.770 --> 00:12:52.010 for performing in "Wicked". 288 00:12:52.010 --> 00:12:55.810 So even the "Wizard of Oz" had evolved into a new thing, 289 00:12:55.810 --> 00:12:57.670 with Reg still performing in it. 290 00:12:57.670 --> 00:13:02.360 And of course, he's also famous for being a gardener. 291 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.440 I love people with multiple strings to their bow, 292 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.440 but the Pirramimma garden in the Blue Mountains, 293 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:08.713 was very famous. 294 00:13:09.980 --> 00:13:14.040 And now I think when I was researching this programme, 295 00:13:14.040 --> 00:13:16.150 I think you can book in time with Reg, 296 00:13:16.150 --> 00:13:17.770 for him to come and have a look at your garden 297 00:13:17.770 --> 00:13:19.780 and give you some advice. 298 00:13:19.780 --> 00:13:23.290 So how a little bit, I'll look at that. 299 00:13:23.290 --> 00:13:25.623 If you're in Southern Islands area. 300 00:13:26.980 --> 00:13:30.480 So, Reg Livermore, where is he gonna take us? 301 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:34.890 I mean, with that level of, that span of career, 302 00:13:34.890 --> 00:13:37.573 there's so many directions we could go in in this, 303 00:13:39.090 --> 00:13:44.090 from him on, so should we say who the next choices throw up. 304 00:13:46.760 --> 00:13:48.060 Sounds good. 305 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:50.573 line:15% So, 306 00:13:51.730 --> 00:13:52.820 line:15% ooh, 307 00:13:52.820 --> 00:13:54.430 line:15% we have Bob and Dolly Dyer 308 00:13:54.430 --> 00:13:55.930 line:15% and we have Ruth Cracknel. 309 00:13:55.930 --> 00:14:00.930 line:15% I'm gonna relaunch this poll, ready and away we go. 310 00:14:01.030 --> 00:14:04.600 line:15% Down the rabbit hole, Bob and Dolly and Ruth. 311 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:06.720 line:15% So I think you can probably all guess, 312 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:11.070 line:15% what the sort of, world of theatre connection is, 313 00:14:11.070 --> 00:14:12.610 line:15% but there's some really specific, 314 00:14:12.610 --> 00:14:16.010 line:15% nice ones to explore with both of these portraits, 315 00:14:16.010 --> 00:14:18.080 line:15% which way will you go? 316 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:18.913 line:15% I can say... Are we gonna, 317 00:14:18.913 --> 00:14:20.880 line:15% Definite favourite coming through here. 318 00:14:20.880 --> 00:14:22.260 line:15% Yeah. 319 00:14:22.260 --> 00:14:23.093 line:15% I might see, 320 00:14:23.093 --> 00:14:25.003 line:15% Penny, which do you reckon it will be? 321 00:14:26.900 --> 00:14:28.860 line:15% There's a lot of, yeah. 322 00:14:28.860 --> 00:14:29.790 line:15% Here we go. 323 00:14:29.790 --> 00:14:31.237 line:15% Lot of votes for Ruth. 324 00:14:31.237 --> 00:14:33.537 line:15% How can you go past Ruth Cracknel 325 00:14:33.537 --> 00:14:36.630 line:15% and that's such a fantastic portrait of her too. 326 00:14:36.630 --> 00:14:37.530 line:15% Sure is. 327 00:14:44.603 --> 00:14:47.150 line:15% Okay, off we go. 328 00:14:47.150 --> 00:14:49.850 line:15% So you've chosen Ruth, great choice. 329 00:14:49.850 --> 00:14:50.683 line:15% So, 330 00:14:52.530 --> 00:14:54.210 what you've given me the opportunity to do, 331 00:14:54.210 --> 00:14:56.770 is tell you another thing that, 332 00:14:56.770 --> 00:14:59.960 Reg Livermore was doing in 1965, 333 00:14:59.960 --> 00:15:01.250 which was, 334 00:15:01.250 --> 00:15:02.963 he was in a, 335 00:15:03.850 --> 00:15:05.717 production code, 336 00:15:05.717 --> 00:15:08.980 "A cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down". 337 00:15:08.980 --> 00:15:10.480 A phrase that was already popped, 338 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:13.220 sort of fairly in common parlance in Australia, 339 00:15:13.220 --> 00:15:17.440 but this review style show at the Tivoli just at, 340 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.570 no, it was at the Phillip Street Theatre in Sydney, 341 00:15:20.570 --> 00:15:24.710 which ran for 15 months and over 250 performances, 342 00:15:24.710 --> 00:15:27.190 absolutely jammed that particular phrase, 343 00:15:27.190 --> 00:15:29.460 into Australian culture. 344 00:15:29.460 --> 00:15:33.443 I mean, you still hear politicians say every now and again, 345 00:15:35.395 --> 00:15:38.460 it's really in there and that was courtesy of, 346 00:15:38.460 --> 00:15:41.290 this production that both Reg and Ruth, 347 00:15:41.290 --> 00:15:44.480 starred in together at that time. 348 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:48.690 So they spent a lot of time together on and off stage, 349 00:15:48.690 --> 00:15:50.760 I imagine during this time. 350 00:15:50.760 --> 00:15:52.160 So that's the connection to Reg, 351 00:15:52.160 --> 00:15:54.470 which is not just a general theatre connection. 352 00:15:54.470 --> 00:15:56.390 It's a really nice time-based 353 00:15:56.390 --> 00:16:01.253 and lovely Australian cultural based connection. 354 00:16:02.220 --> 00:16:04.450 So let's talk about this particular portrait. 355 00:16:04.450 --> 00:16:05.283 So, 356 00:16:08.105 --> 00:16:09.573 this was made by, 357 00:16:10.921 --> 00:16:12.440 Rosemary Valadon, in 1995. 358 00:16:16.270 --> 00:16:20.870 So that's the year after the end of, 359 00:16:20.870 --> 00:16:23.070 the ABC TV series 360 00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:26.643 that absolutely shot Ruth Cracknell into the, 361 00:16:27.610 --> 00:16:31.430 echelons of Australian entertainment history. 362 00:16:31.430 --> 00:16:33.880 And she was an accomplished stage actress, 363 00:16:33.880 --> 00:16:35.920 Shakespearian actress, all of, 364 00:16:35.920 --> 00:16:39.130 her work and film across film, 365 00:16:39.130 --> 00:16:41.050 like, her work is extraordinary, 366 00:16:41.050 --> 00:16:44.750 but mother and son definitely lodged her, 367 00:16:44.750 --> 00:16:46.320 in the Australian imagination. 368 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.503 So that ran from 1995 to 1994. 369 00:16:49.503 --> 00:16:54.300 So this portrait was made right after, 370 00:16:54.300 --> 00:16:55.580 that series ended 371 00:16:56.930 --> 00:16:58.960 you could not get a greater contrast, 372 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:02.100 from the character she was playing in that series, 373 00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:03.220 to this portrait. 374 00:17:03.220 --> 00:17:05.250 So Rosemary Valadon at the time 375 00:17:05.250 --> 00:17:09.080 was doing a series of goddesses, that was the sort of theme. 376 00:17:09.080 --> 00:17:10.363 So she was painting, 377 00:17:12.733 --> 00:17:15.010 Australian great women, 378 00:17:15.010 --> 00:17:16.360 in this sort of goddess theme. 379 00:17:16.360 --> 00:17:19.870 So this portraits actually called Ruth Cracknell, 380 00:17:19.870 --> 00:17:21.350 as the Sibyl. 381 00:17:21.350 --> 00:17:24.123 Now the Sibyl in Greek mythology is that, 382 00:17:26.140 --> 00:17:28.140 like apparently, incredibly elderly, 383 00:17:28.140 --> 00:17:30.560 although Ruth is only 70 in this portrait, 384 00:17:30.560 --> 00:17:33.490 thanks to Patrick's algorithm, I know that 385 00:17:33.490 --> 00:17:37.700 and they were responsible for prophecy. 386 00:17:37.700 --> 00:17:41.720 So she was a prophetess, an oracle, 387 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.380 that's the figure of the Sibyl. 388 00:17:44.380 --> 00:17:49.090 I particularly love the grandeur of this portrait, 389 00:17:49.090 --> 00:17:52.420 with the bits and pieces representing the stage 390 00:17:52.420 --> 00:17:56.510 and that book and those sort of the, 391 00:17:56.510 --> 00:17:59.400 classical figures behind. 392 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.490 And we know that Ruth Cracknell regards this 393 00:18:02.490 --> 00:18:05.810 as sort of the definitive portrait of Ruth Cracknell. 394 00:18:05.810 --> 00:18:08.600 So that's, you kinda get a better review from a sitter, 395 00:18:08.600 --> 00:18:10.653 to an artist than that. 396 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.620 It's a really, really interesting piece of work too 397 00:18:14.620 --> 00:18:18.250 and kind of one of those love in contrast, 398 00:18:18.250 --> 00:18:20.130 to the Hugh Jackman that we started with 399 00:18:20.130 --> 00:18:21.990 and with the Reg Livermore, 400 00:18:21.990 --> 00:18:24.920 you've really got a sense of the theatrical, 401 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:26.720 in this portrait of an actor. 402 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:29.570 So you don't necessarily have her in character 403 00:18:29.570 --> 00:18:32.560 or like she's sort of in character as a Sibyl, 404 00:18:32.560 --> 00:18:36.410 but she's very much in a set, 405 00:18:36.410 --> 00:18:38.993 immersed in a set and very happy there. 406 00:18:39.860 --> 00:18:44.860 So this was also the year after she won the 1994 Logie, 407 00:18:45.990 --> 00:18:50.170 for the most popular comedy personality. 408 00:18:50.170 --> 00:18:52.690 So yeah, I can't think why Rosemary paint in 409 00:18:52.690 --> 00:18:55.150 one of the Logie's in there in the, 410 00:18:55.150 --> 00:18:56.271 in the bottom there. 411 00:18:56.271 --> 00:18:57.440 (laughs) 412 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.190 Penny, do you know, what the coloured sticks, 413 00:19:00.190 --> 00:19:02.350 they're a little bit hard to see on the screens, 414 00:19:02.350 --> 00:19:05.080 but you know what she's holding in her hand there. 415 00:19:05.080 --> 00:19:08.900 I was actually wondering that while I was examining this, 416 00:19:08.900 --> 00:19:11.420 while preparing, no, I don't actually. 417 00:19:11.420 --> 00:19:12.253 We might have to seak that... 418 00:19:12.253 --> 00:19:13.750 It could be a classical reference 419 00:19:13.750 --> 00:19:17.180 or it could be something, completely else. 420 00:19:17.180 --> 00:19:18.100 Hmm. Yeah, 421 00:19:18.100 --> 00:19:20.860 that's a good subject for further research for somebody. 422 00:19:20.860 --> 00:19:21.810 Yeah, sounds good. 423 00:19:21.810 --> 00:19:25.050 And if anyone else in our audience has any ideas about, 424 00:19:25.050 --> 00:19:26.570 theatre people might have any ideas, 425 00:19:26.570 --> 00:19:28.330 what it might be referencing. 426 00:19:28.330 --> 00:19:31.010 I'm also intrigued by the books that she has, 427 00:19:31.010 --> 00:19:32.850 Mm-hmm. piled up beside her, 428 00:19:32.850 --> 00:19:34.390 but I might have to go and have a closer look, 429 00:19:34.390 --> 00:19:36.440 at the portrait later on to see if there's anything there 430 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:39.880 that can be discerned from having a closer look. 431 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:42.280 Which you can, because this one is hanging, 432 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:45.816 in the open portrait gallery at the moment. 433 00:19:45.816 --> 00:19:49.500 So anyone who's in Canberra, head in and take a closer look 434 00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:51.940 at those books sitting beside Ruth. 435 00:19:51.940 --> 00:19:54.220 Maureen's taken a stab at incense perhaps, 436 00:19:54.220 --> 00:19:56.870 but yeah, we'll let you know Maureen. 437 00:19:56.870 --> 00:19:59.273 So you're going down the Greek, 438 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.673 sort of spiritual path there, hmm. 439 00:20:03.650 --> 00:20:06.410 So from "A cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down", 440 00:20:06.410 --> 00:20:08.340 where should we go from Ruth? 441 00:20:08.340 --> 00:20:09.930 Who does she connect to? 442 00:20:09.930 --> 00:20:12.173 Let's see, where are you gonna take me next. 443 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.150 line:15% Should we bring up my choices? 444 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:20.310 line:15% We have Kate Grenville or Bee Miles, 445 00:20:20.310 --> 00:20:21.190 line:15% Ahh, 446 00:20:21.190 --> 00:20:23.390 line:15% These are two very different characters. 447 00:20:23.390 --> 00:20:25.940 line:15% Hey you fond, one of my little loops, 448 00:20:25.940 --> 00:20:29.290 line:15% that I've built in, to this exciting journey. 449 00:20:29.290 --> 00:20:30.630 line:15% So let's see. 450 00:20:30.630 --> 00:20:32.273 line:15% Okay, launching the poll. 451 00:20:38.150 --> 00:20:39.780 line:15% Two very different works, 452 00:20:39.780 --> 00:20:42.820 line:15% two very different characters here. 453 00:20:42.820 --> 00:20:46.030 line:15% And maybe you already know what the connection 454 00:20:46.030 --> 00:20:49.240 line:15% between all three of these people might be. 455 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:51.220 line:15% I wonder if people have heard of Bee Miles, 456 00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:52.593 line:15% be interesting to find out. 457 00:20:53.910 --> 00:20:56.139 line:15% Oh my goodness, Penny, 458 00:20:56.139 --> 00:20:57.883 line:15% (laughs) 459 00:20:57.883 --> 00:20:59.040 line:15% Oh. 460 00:20:59.040 --> 00:21:00.060 line:15% I don't think we've had this 461 00:21:00.060 --> 00:21:01.440 line:15% in the history of, 462 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:02.400 line:15% choose your own adventure park, 463 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:03.790 line:15% oh somebody is on a lite date to come through. 464 00:21:03.790 --> 00:21:05.762 line:15% Comes a little bit ahead. 465 00:21:05.762 --> 00:21:06.816 line:15% Okay. 466 00:21:06.816 --> 00:21:08.490 line:15% This is very exciting. 467 00:21:08.490 --> 00:21:10.290 line:15% We had it up until a second ago, 468 00:21:10.290 --> 00:21:12.370 line:15% that last part is just tipped us over, 469 00:21:12.370 --> 00:21:13.203 line:15% so we're going down... 470 00:21:13.203 --> 00:21:15.420 line:15% Yeah, hang there for a while but. 471 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:18.100 line:15% Going down the Kate Grenville path. 472 00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:19.650 line:15% Brilliant, brilliant. 473 00:21:24.250 --> 00:21:28.293 line:15% Now I'll just bring up Kate behind me, great. 474 00:21:29.300 --> 00:21:32.980 line:15% So Kate Grenville, what is her connection to Ruth Cracknel 475 00:21:32.980 --> 00:21:34.250 and maybe some of you know, 476 00:21:34.250 --> 00:21:37.700 so Ruth Cracknel played, 477 00:21:37.700 --> 00:21:41.450 the title character in the film version, 478 00:21:41.450 --> 00:21:45.477 the 1996 film version of, 479 00:21:45.477 --> 00:21:46.860 "Lillian's Story". 480 00:21:46.860 --> 00:21:48.680 So "Lillian Story" is, 481 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:51.473 one of Kate Greenville's most famous novels, 482 00:21:53.350 --> 00:21:57.300 although she's got a lot that are very, very well known 483 00:21:57.300 --> 00:21:58.133 and bestsellers. 484 00:21:58.133 --> 00:22:01.830 So, "Lillian's Story" was filmed by, 485 00:22:01.830 --> 00:22:05.570 Jerzy Domaradzki, director in 1996 486 00:22:05.570 --> 00:22:09.460 and Ruth played the older Lillian character 487 00:22:09.460 --> 00:22:13.010 and tiny Collette actually played the younger character. 488 00:22:13.010 --> 00:22:17.540 So that's the connection between Ruth and Kate. 489 00:22:17.540 --> 00:22:19.563 Now, this is a beautiful portrait, 490 00:22:22.951 --> 00:22:25.897 from Jenny Sages painted in 2012. 491 00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:31.300 Kate Grenville at this point in her life had just finished, 492 00:22:31.300 --> 00:22:34.900 line:15% the third in this sort of trilogy, although it wasn't, 493 00:22:34.900 --> 00:22:37.870 line:15% it was a series of novels that came, 494 00:22:37.870 --> 00:22:39.827 line:15% that started with "The Secret River". 495 00:22:41.890 --> 00:22:45.860 line:15% So she just published "Sarah Thornhill" the year before, 496 00:22:45.860 --> 00:22:48.820 line:15% she was up to seven novels at this point. 497 00:22:48.820 --> 00:22:52.960 line:15% And you can see her here on dark and dark and John land 498 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:55.670 line:15% and the Hawkesbury River. 499 00:22:55.670 --> 00:23:00.670 line:15% So the artist and Sarah went out for a walk along the place 500 00:23:01.350 --> 00:23:06.350 where "The Secret River" original novel and series are set. 501 00:23:06.570 --> 00:23:09.650 And you may have seen, I always do a little bit of a plug 502 00:23:09.650 --> 00:23:12.420 for an ABC programme seemingly in this series. 503 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:16.580 And if you haven't been catching Claudia Karvan 504 00:23:17.430 --> 00:23:19.720 and "The Books That Made Us" on ABC, 505 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:20.827 go back and watch it on iview 506 00:23:20.827 --> 00:23:24.180 and you can see a beautiful interview with Kate Grenville 507 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:26.550 about that there to. 508 00:23:26.550 --> 00:23:29.720 Something I wanted to share with you here, 509 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:33.980 is because we have a fantastic portrait story, 510 00:23:33.980 --> 00:23:37.720 with Kate Grenville, a fantastic interview, where she says, 511 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:40.730 a few really lovely things, not only about this painting, 512 00:23:40.730 --> 00:23:44.690 but also about the writing, the process of writing, 513 00:23:44.690 --> 00:23:46.950 I didn't know, to watching the portrait story, 514 00:23:46.950 --> 00:23:49.030 she actually started as a film editor 515 00:23:49.030 --> 00:23:52.580 and it was that process of learning to put together, 516 00:23:52.580 --> 00:23:55.203 hours and hours and hours of footage, 517 00:23:56.929 --> 00:24:00.880 into a story that helped her learn to be a storyteller 518 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:02.223 and learn to be a writer. 519 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.870 And she talks about writing as a long hard 520 00:24:06.870 --> 00:24:08.760 and often kind of boring process, 521 00:24:08.760 --> 00:24:11.420 which I think is really fun. 522 00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:14.130 But she also says and you can go and watch it yourself 523 00:24:14.130 --> 00:24:17.300 and hear these in her own voice, in her own words, 524 00:24:17.300 --> 00:24:18.810 that she talks about, 525 00:24:18.810 --> 00:24:21.030 but it's lovely to sort of think about it, 526 00:24:21.030 --> 00:24:23.620 while seeing these portraits. 527 00:24:23.620 --> 00:24:26.960 So, she met Jenny Sages 528 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:28.160 and realised immediately, 529 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.310 they were on the same wavelength as curators, 530 00:24:31.310 --> 00:24:33.940 because she had no preconceptions like me, 531 00:24:33.940 --> 00:24:35.190 she starts with a question, 532 00:24:35.190 --> 00:24:37.470 in so far as it painting can start with a question 533 00:24:37.470 --> 00:24:40.140 and allows the material to guide her, 534 00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:41.777 which is exactly how I make art. 535 00:24:41.777 --> 00:24:44.260 And we had some wonderful conversations, 536 00:24:44.260 --> 00:24:46.080 which people who don't make art 537 00:24:46.080 --> 00:24:48.200 often find hard to understand 538 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:49.820 because they think it's a sensible 539 00:24:49.820 --> 00:24:52.820 and more efficient process than it actually is. 540 00:24:52.820 --> 00:24:55.650 It's a terrible model and you fling yourself in 541 00:24:55.650 --> 00:24:59.110 and kinda swim feel life and hope at the end, 542 00:24:59.110 --> 00:25:00.540 you emerge with something. 543 00:25:00.540 --> 00:25:03.300 I think that's a really lovely description, 544 00:25:03.300 --> 00:25:05.520 down to earth description of writing a note, 545 00:25:05.520 --> 00:25:08.470 from one of Australia's greatest novelists. 546 00:25:08.470 --> 00:25:11.350 So they sat together for several sessions, 547 00:25:11.350 --> 00:25:14.630 while Jenny took photographs and did some sketches 548 00:25:15.650 --> 00:25:19.710 and she took off her shoes because she wanted to be barefoot 549 00:25:19.710 --> 00:25:23.823 in that environment and she felt wonderfully relaxed. 550 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.750 And she's really pleased with the portrait, 551 00:25:27.750 --> 00:25:29.570 is how she ends that. 552 00:25:29.570 --> 00:25:31.350 Ends her portrait story there 553 00:25:31.350 --> 00:25:35.630 and you can absolutely see that in this portrait, 554 00:25:35.630 --> 00:25:39.250 there's a huge amount of relaxation and comfort that comes, 555 00:25:39.250 --> 00:25:40.877 it is one of the most popular works, 556 00:25:40.877 --> 00:25:43.510 in the Portrait Gallery Collection. 557 00:25:43.510 --> 00:25:46.610 And it's very much a testament to Jenny Sage's approach, 558 00:25:46.610 --> 00:25:49.100 to all of her portraiture in her incredible way, 559 00:25:49.100 --> 00:25:50.473 she was able to build, 560 00:25:51.520 --> 00:25:53.353 rapport with each seater, 561 00:25:54.761 --> 00:25:55.653 that she met. 562 00:25:56.900 --> 00:26:00.180 It's a really lovely experience seeing these portrait 563 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:03.453 in real life too, 'cause it has a great depth to it. 564 00:26:04.390 --> 00:26:07.150 That seems to sort of earn a calmness, 565 00:26:07.150 --> 00:26:10.210 that really seems to reflect that, 566 00:26:10.210 --> 00:26:13.193 quietness of a writer's process. 567 00:26:14.500 --> 00:26:15.810 Yeah. 568 00:26:15.810 --> 00:26:16.643 So, 569 00:26:18.210 --> 00:26:19.877 if you also, with Kate Grenville, 570 00:26:19.877 --> 00:26:22.470 "A Room Full of Leaves" is her most recent work. 571 00:26:22.470 --> 00:26:25.953 Again, exploring a historical episode, 572 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:28.960 in Australian life, 573 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:31.410 the journey of Elizabeth MacArthur, 574 00:26:31.410 --> 00:26:36.080 a really, really fascinating woman, 575 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:39.673 of colonial Australian history so, 576 00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:42.053 that's Kate, 577 00:26:43.330 --> 00:26:45.490 I wonder where we're gonna go next. 578 00:26:45.490 --> 00:26:46.780 Is that not Kate for everyone, 579 00:26:46.780 --> 00:26:49.270 I feel like you can't possibly have enough of this portrait, 580 00:26:49.270 --> 00:26:52.040 but we probably can't stay here forever. 581 00:26:52.040 --> 00:26:54.203 So let's see where she takes us next. 582 00:26:56.010 --> 00:26:58.450 Whoa, connection with Kate 583 00:26:58.450 --> 00:27:01.830 and now we're gonna circling round again, Penny. 584 00:27:01.830 --> 00:27:02.663 line:15% Ahh, Are we for, 585 00:27:02.663 --> 00:27:04.129 line:15% the night trip? are we cycling, yeah 586 00:27:04.129 --> 00:27:05.160 line:15% (laughs) 587 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:08.820 line:15% Ahh, now, if you choose Ruth, 588 00:27:08.820 --> 00:27:11.080 line:15% I wonder if you'll get different connections, 589 00:27:11.080 --> 00:27:13.040 line:15% to the ones you got last time, 590 00:27:13.040 --> 00:27:14.920 line:15% or are you gonna take your second chance, 591 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.480 line:15% to know about Bee Miles, 592 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.020 line:15% that enigmatic character that you say there emerging, 593 00:27:21.020 --> 00:27:23.470 line:15% from those charcoals stroke? 594 00:27:23.470 --> 00:27:24.900 line:15% Well, it was so close last time, 595 00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:28.374 line:15% let's see what happens this time with poll. 596 00:27:28.374 --> 00:27:29.957 line:15% Here goes the poll. 597 00:27:32.190 --> 00:27:33.170 line:15% Oh. 598 00:27:33.170 --> 00:27:34.113 line:15% Oh wow. 599 00:27:34.950 --> 00:27:37.833 line:15% We don't want second lot of Ruth, we gonna, 600 00:27:37.833 --> 00:27:40.010 line:15% definitely looks like people wanna take, 601 00:27:40.010 --> 00:27:44.520 line:15% the path of Bee Miles and explore more about that character. 602 00:27:44.520 --> 00:27:46.183 line:15% Oh rush, we can do that. 603 00:27:56.510 --> 00:27:57.343 line:15% So, 604 00:27:58.270 --> 00:28:02.840 line:15% people in Sydney might be more familiar with Bee Miles 605 00:28:03.910 --> 00:28:05.630 line:15% than people in other parts of Australia, 606 00:28:05.630 --> 00:28:07.350 line:15% although she was pretty well renowned 607 00:28:07.350 --> 00:28:09.550 in New South Wales as well. 608 00:28:09.550 --> 00:28:12.657 So the connection with Kate Grenville is that her novel, 609 00:28:12.657 --> 00:28:16.930 "Lillian's Story" and the character Lillian, 610 00:28:16.930 --> 00:28:19.860 that Ruth Cracknel play in the film version of the story, 611 00:28:19.860 --> 00:28:23.970 is actually based on Beatrice Miles, Bee Miles. 612 00:28:23.970 --> 00:28:28.210 So she was often referred to as an eccentric, 613 00:28:28.210 --> 00:28:31.560 as a sort of well-known Sydney identity. 614 00:28:31.560 --> 00:28:33.853 She had an exuberant way of living. 615 00:28:34.700 --> 00:28:36.300 She was non-conforming, 616 00:28:36.300 --> 00:28:39.130 so she was a real presence on the streets of Sydney, 617 00:28:39.130 --> 00:28:42.370 particularly for cab drivers repeatedly, 618 00:28:42.370 --> 00:28:45.050 because she would just introduce herself into the cab 619 00:28:45.050 --> 00:28:47.850 and ask to be taken places 620 00:28:47.850 --> 00:28:50.010 and not give them much other option. 621 00:28:50.010 --> 00:28:52.870 Now I also another regular feature 622 00:28:52.870 --> 00:28:55.670 apart from my ABC recommendation in these programmes, 623 00:28:55.670 --> 00:28:58.340 has been my recommendation for, 624 00:28:58.340 --> 00:29:00.230 dive down the Trove rabbit hole. 625 00:29:00.230 --> 00:29:05.050 So I would say that a Google or a Trove search, 626 00:29:05.050 --> 00:29:08.740 of Bee Miles, is a very rewarding experience. 627 00:29:08.740 --> 00:29:10.640 And there's a fantastic article, 628 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:15.340 in the women's weekly actually in 1968, 629 00:29:15.340 --> 00:29:17.490 which is the recollection of this cab driver, 630 00:29:17.490 --> 00:29:19.683 who was pretty familiar with Bee. 631 00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:22.820 And she turned up on Christmas day 632 00:29:22.820 --> 00:29:25.403 asking to be taken to Broken Hill via Melbourne. 633 00:29:26.370 --> 00:29:28.840 And he scooped up his cab driver mate grief 634 00:29:28.840 --> 00:29:33.780 and they went, on this journey and she had an allowance 635 00:29:33.780 --> 00:29:38.330 that was coming in, even though she was sleeping rough, 636 00:29:38.330 --> 00:29:39.730 she was just around Sydney, 637 00:29:39.730 --> 00:29:42.519 she was just not participating, 638 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.223 in the sort of traditional way of living. 639 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:48.250 And they went 640 00:29:50.600 --> 00:29:53.203 and so she paid for the cab fare, 641 00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:55.823 for that whole trip. 642 00:29:57.040 --> 00:30:00.400 And they had this amazing trip through, 643 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.000 Victoria and Western New South Wales, 644 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.090 with her able to name all of the plants, 645 00:30:06.090 --> 00:30:10.110 not only name the plants, but the Latin names as well, 646 00:30:10.110 --> 00:30:12.920 the animals, her knowledge was extraordinary. 647 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:14.640 And indeed on the streets of Sydney, 648 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.720 other things she was most famous for was, 649 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.620 her earning money by offering to recite poems 650 00:30:20.620 --> 00:30:21.573 and Shakespeare, 651 00:30:23.018 --> 00:30:24.023 for a fee. 652 00:30:24.940 --> 00:30:28.110 So she's a pretty extraordinary character 653 00:30:28.110 --> 00:30:31.320 and hence the, I imagine the attraction to Kate Grenville, 654 00:30:31.320 --> 00:30:36.320 in turning this character and her life and her experience, 655 00:30:37.080 --> 00:30:40.540 into that incredible novel. 656 00:30:40.540 --> 00:30:43.360 So this portrait was actually taken, 657 00:30:43.360 --> 00:30:45.210 is actually based on a photograph 658 00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:48.390 and was made a few years after they passed away. 659 00:30:48.390 --> 00:30:52.893 So it was made in about 1976, 660 00:30:54.020 --> 00:30:56.240 about three years after her death. 661 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:01.150 And I just think it's a really interesting, beautiful, 662 00:31:01.150 --> 00:31:05.520 like depiction of this exuberant character, a great smile 663 00:31:05.520 --> 00:31:06.913 and the artist, 664 00:31:08.790 --> 00:31:10.300 has quite a lovely connection. 665 00:31:10.300 --> 00:31:12.380 So is obviously very familiar with her 666 00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:15.460 and wanted to recognise her identity 667 00:31:16.770 --> 00:31:19.640 and presence in Sydney at that time. 668 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.130 So he actually was Roderick Shaw. 669 00:31:22.130 --> 00:31:24.330 So he painted in World War II, 670 00:31:24.330 --> 00:31:29.330 painted camouflage with Dobell and with Joshua Smith, 671 00:31:29.740 --> 00:31:30.680 during World War II 672 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.163 and then later was a member of the, 673 00:31:35.380 --> 00:31:38.020 artists for democracy and artists against nuclear war. 674 00:31:38.020 --> 00:31:39.490 So in his own way, 675 00:31:39.490 --> 00:31:42.163 he was a bit of a social activist as well. 676 00:31:45.380 --> 00:31:49.770 The audience note that astutely note that, 677 00:31:49.770 --> 00:31:53.550 Bee Miles is listed on Wikipedia and other resources 678 00:31:53.550 --> 00:31:57.660 as being spelled BEA as in the beginning of Beatrice, 679 00:31:57.660 --> 00:32:00.760 which could very well be the correct name, 680 00:32:00.760 --> 00:32:02.570 but often with the portrait galleries collection, 681 00:32:02.570 --> 00:32:06.460 you may find little quirks in the titling of works. 682 00:32:06.460 --> 00:32:07.950 And that's often because we follow, 683 00:32:07.950 --> 00:32:10.650 what the artists themselves titled the work, 684 00:32:10.650 --> 00:32:14.490 so it could well be that and Penny correct me if I'm wrong, 685 00:32:14.490 --> 00:32:16.480 but it could be that Roderick knew her 686 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:17.890 or wrote her name down as BEE 687 00:32:17.890 --> 00:32:19.950 and that's just what's gone down, 688 00:32:19.950 --> 00:32:21.793 in the creation of the portrait. 689 00:32:22.800 --> 00:32:24.330 That actually struck me too 690 00:32:24.330 --> 00:32:27.810 and I did a little bit of a deck 691 00:32:27.810 --> 00:32:29.830 and it's actually pretty interchangeable as well, 692 00:32:29.830 --> 00:32:31.740 in the documentation. 693 00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:35.020 So it could well be that, that's what the artist applied. 694 00:32:36.010 --> 00:32:41.010 It could also be, it was just interchangeably used, 695 00:32:42.760 --> 00:32:44.193 during her life as well. 696 00:32:47.490 --> 00:32:49.850 It's such a great portrait, where should we go next? 697 00:32:49.850 --> 00:32:52.293 Oh, let's find out. 698 00:32:53.230 --> 00:32:55.829 I think this might be our last connection Penny. 699 00:32:55.829 --> 00:32:57.470 Oh, we've reached a dead end. 700 00:32:57.470 --> 00:32:59.410 line:15% We may have at the end of this one. 701 00:32:59.410 --> 00:33:01.340 line:15% So the choices that we have, 702 00:33:01.340 --> 00:33:03.823 line:15% Jill Ker Conway and Quong Tart. 703 00:33:05.710 --> 00:33:07.173 line:15% I'm gonna launch the poll. 704 00:33:08.750 --> 00:33:10.390 line:15% This is an exciting twist, 705 00:33:10.390 --> 00:33:13.163 line:15% very, very different forms of portraiture. 706 00:33:14.610 --> 00:33:17.593 line:15% And it's quite from that story about Bee, 707 00:33:18.600 --> 00:33:22.000 line:15% which connection are you most interested to hear about, 708 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.663 line:15% like what possible connection, 709 00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:27.760 line:15% could the famous Bee Miles that Sydney identity, 710 00:33:27.760 --> 00:33:29.700 line:15% have to either of these people. 711 00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:30.980 line:15% I'm genuinely interested 712 00:33:30.980 --> 00:33:32.180 line:15% because I missed the tech run, 713 00:33:32.180 --> 00:33:33.670 line:15% so I have absolutely no idea. 714 00:33:33.670 --> 00:33:36.590 line:15% So this will be as much of a surprise to me, 715 00:33:36.590 --> 00:33:38.410 line:15% as it is to everybody else. 716 00:33:38.410 --> 00:33:42.995 line:15% So the choice has been made, Jill Ker Conway. 717 00:33:42.995 --> 00:33:43.828 line:15% Oh. 718 00:33:46.470 --> 00:33:47.910 line:15% (clears throat) 719 00:33:47.910 --> 00:33:48.743 line:15% All right. 720 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:55.493 line:15% Let's bring out Jill Ker Conway behind me. 721 00:33:56.620 --> 00:33:58.830 line:15% I think people have voted for, 722 00:33:58.830 --> 00:34:01.163 line:15% a very beautiful portrait here. 723 00:34:03.230 --> 00:34:06.600 It's a lovely scene and in a way, 724 00:34:06.600 --> 00:34:08.470 like is a lovely companion paste, 725 00:34:08.470 --> 00:34:12.290 to the Kate Grenville portrait of that, 726 00:34:12.290 --> 00:34:16.130 intellectual powerhouse sitting there quietly in nature. 727 00:34:16.130 --> 00:34:19.360 So what is the connection to Bee Miles? 728 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:24.360 So, it's Ashfield in Sydney, so we're building a bit of a, 729 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:27.347 this is a real Sydney network that we've built, 730 00:34:27.347 --> 00:34:31.373 around Hugh Jackman here, so Ashfield in Sydney. 731 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.710 Oh no, I've got my connection wrong, 732 00:34:36.710 --> 00:34:38.870 that was the connection to Quong Tart. 733 00:34:38.870 --> 00:34:40.000 We'll go there afterwards. 734 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.450 Hey, (laughs) 735 00:34:41.450 --> 00:34:42.550 Ashfield, hold your horses, we're coming back. 736 00:34:42.550 --> 00:34:44.580 We've got another Sydney connection. 737 00:34:44.580 --> 00:34:46.660 I'm like, I didn't know, as I was saying, 738 00:34:46.660 --> 00:34:49.960 I didn't know you had anything to do with Ashfield, 739 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.410 we'll see where this sentence goes, 740 00:34:51.410 --> 00:34:53.500 I'm like, no, that's the Quong Tart connection, 741 00:34:53.500 --> 00:34:55.510 which I've now, we'll go to that one in a second, 742 00:34:55.510 --> 00:34:57.630 we'll pretend you chose both of them, 743 00:34:57.630 --> 00:34:58.960 'cause they're both fascinating. 744 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.360 This one is another Sydney connection, 745 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.500 which is similar to the Hugh Jackman, Reg connection, 746 00:35:05.500 --> 00:35:06.950 it's an old-school connection. 747 00:35:06.950 --> 00:35:08.025 So both of them went to, 748 00:35:08.025 --> 00:35:12.480 Abbotsleigh Girls School in Sydney and Sydney Uni. 749 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.410 Bee Miles actually pulled out of her arts degree 750 00:35:15.410 --> 00:35:16.243 because she didn't think, 751 00:35:16.243 --> 00:35:18.960 there was enough Australian poets and writers, 752 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.650 being discussed in her degree 753 00:35:21.650 --> 00:35:24.286 and so she's good out of it, out of there. 754 00:35:24.286 --> 00:35:25.460 Oh, hey. 755 00:35:25.460 --> 00:35:26.426 Yeah. 756 00:35:26.426 --> 00:35:28.380 (laughs) 757 00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:33.380 Jill kept going and got the university middle in history, 758 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:34.900 from Sydney Uni. 759 00:35:34.900 --> 00:35:37.980 She applied to the department of external affairs 760 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:40.610 and because she was a woman, she didn't get the job. 761 00:35:40.610 --> 00:35:43.990 So she promptly got a, 762 00:35:43.990 --> 00:35:46.550 Fulbright scholarship to go to Harvard. 763 00:35:46.550 --> 00:35:48.580 So she ends up in America, 764 00:35:48.580 --> 00:35:52.550 which is where we met her in this portrait, 765 00:35:52.550 --> 00:35:56.080 because she became the first woman president, 766 00:35:56.080 --> 00:35:57.400 of Smith College, 767 00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.970 which is the biggest women's college in America. 768 00:36:01.970 --> 00:36:04.830 And it was actually where she met, 769 00:36:04.830 --> 00:36:07.730 the artist of this portrait in 1987, 770 00:36:07.730 --> 00:36:10.493 Sarah Belchetz-Swenson. 771 00:36:12.430 --> 00:36:15.720 line:15% Sarah was painting Jill's official portraits, 772 00:36:15.720 --> 00:36:19.630 line:15% of president to a portrait in that particular role. 773 00:36:19.630 --> 00:36:23.940 line:15% But as often happens, when an artist makes a scene 774 00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.370 line:15% that they really connect with, 775 00:36:25.370 --> 00:36:28.000 line:15% they became really good friends 776 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:33.000 and Sarah then offered to paint a more relaxed, 777 00:36:33.540 --> 00:36:36.980 personal portrait of her friend, Jill. 778 00:36:36.980 --> 00:36:40.950 So to put her in time in 1987 here, 779 00:36:40.950 --> 00:36:42.100 she was a visiting, 780 00:36:42.100 --> 00:36:44.670 that was after her term at Smith College. 781 00:36:44.670 --> 00:36:48.230 She was a visiting professor at MIT. 782 00:36:48.230 --> 00:36:50.610 The book she wrote that year was called 783 00:36:50.610 --> 00:36:53.407 and I'm gonna read this off my notes, just here, 784 00:36:53.407 --> 00:36:56.050 "Utopian Dream or Dystopian Nightmare", 785 00:36:56.050 --> 00:36:59.593 19th century feminist ideas about quality. 786 00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:03.713 Which is interesting in light of her personal history, 787 00:37:04.570 --> 00:37:06.460 with the quality there, 788 00:37:06.460 --> 00:37:11.210 but she was an absolute towering intellectual figure, 789 00:37:11.210 --> 00:37:15.290 in academia and many boards 790 00:37:15.290 --> 00:37:18.480 and yeah, an extraordinary woman 791 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.520 and I love seeing her depicted in this, 792 00:37:21.520 --> 00:37:23.913 beautiful, quiet scene. 793 00:37:26.670 --> 00:37:29.670 So, let's explore Quong Tart since you already know 794 00:37:29.670 --> 00:37:32.093 the connection with the Ashfield. 795 00:37:33.140 --> 00:37:35.170 Is such a fantastic portrait though, 796 00:37:35.170 --> 00:37:37.413 line:15% I'd love to hear a little bit more about this one. 797 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.223 line:15% All right, so I'm gonna bring Quong up behind me as well. 798 00:37:44.130 --> 00:37:44.963 line:15% All rush, 799 00:37:45.860 --> 00:37:48.573 line:15% so this is by a fantastic, 800 00:37:49.530 --> 00:37:52.280 line:15% contemporary artist called Parmela See. 801 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.220 line:15% And this is part of a series of, 802 00:37:54.220 --> 00:37:57.610 16 silhouette paper cut portraits, 803 00:37:57.610 --> 00:37:59.650 that we acquired for the collection, 804 00:37:59.650 --> 00:38:01.700 that all recognise and celebrate 805 00:38:01.700 --> 00:38:05.673 Chinese Australian achievers and are around, 806 00:38:06.860 --> 00:38:09.170 making sure that that history, 807 00:38:09.170 --> 00:38:12.410 of Chinese Australian migration in the 19th century 808 00:38:12.410 --> 00:38:14.410 and the contributions that those people made 809 00:38:14.410 --> 00:38:16.830 to Australian life and culture, 810 00:38:16.830 --> 00:38:19.640 are celebrated and recognised. 811 00:38:19.640 --> 00:38:22.110 So Quong Tart has a really interesting story, 812 00:38:22.110 --> 00:38:25.480 came to Australia as part of indentured labour, 813 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.070 on the Gold Fields when he was known, 814 00:38:28.070 --> 00:38:31.730 but he was clearly awesome character from the start. 815 00:38:31.730 --> 00:38:34.020 He started the football team in Braidwood, 816 00:38:34.020 --> 00:38:36.420 so we're getting bit bit close to a Canberra story, 817 00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:37.680 Canberra connection here 818 00:38:39.247 --> 00:38:41.940 and was the captain captain of the cricket team. 819 00:38:41.940 --> 00:38:43.350 So, 820 00:38:43.350 --> 00:38:47.640 he was already a pretty active social figure. 821 00:38:47.640 --> 00:38:50.090 So having made some money on the Gold Fields, 822 00:38:50.090 --> 00:38:55.090 he went to Sydney and became one of the late 19th century's, 823 00:38:55.470 --> 00:38:58.313 most prominent businessmen in Sydney. 824 00:38:59.447 --> 00:39:03.180 So he started the Lung Shan Tea Room, 825 00:39:03.180 --> 00:39:04.923 in 1889. 826 00:39:06.090 --> 00:39:09.123 And then later had, 827 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:14.080 an enormously expensive tea room, 828 00:39:14.080 --> 00:39:17.430 in the Queen Victoria Building as well, 829 00:39:17.430 --> 00:39:18.903 the Queen Victoria Market. 830 00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:21.973 To take this portrait, 831 00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:24.870 to examine further, 832 00:39:24.870 --> 00:39:27.223 I suppose the iconography in this portrait. 833 00:39:28.490 --> 00:39:32.150 There are quite a lot of photographs of Quong around, 834 00:39:32.150 --> 00:39:34.250 because he was such a prominent figure. 835 00:39:34.250 --> 00:39:38.240 So the silhouettes based on those portraits, 836 00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:40.600 but there's some symbolism here, 837 00:39:40.600 --> 00:39:43.180 a little bit like the Ruth Cracknel one. 838 00:39:43.180 --> 00:39:48.180 So what you have is a red silk cotton tree flower, 839 00:39:49.130 --> 00:39:50.920 that's the flower at the top. 840 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.380 And that's the flower that, 841 00:39:53.380 --> 00:39:57.860 is the official emblem of Guangdong Province, 842 00:39:57.860 --> 00:40:00.860 where Quong originally came from. 843 00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:05.860 And it's also the origin of the paper cutting technique, 844 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.400 that Parmela See is using to make these portraits, 845 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.480 so there's that beautiful double connection there. 846 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.370 The peacock feather was part of the symbolism, 847 00:40:16.370 --> 00:40:18.560 around one of the honours that was bestowed 848 00:40:18.560 --> 00:40:20.620 upon Quong by China, 849 00:40:20.620 --> 00:40:24.910 for his connections that he made between China and Australia 850 00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:29.780 particularly in terms of being a liaison, 851 00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:31.483 for the first Chinese mission, 852 00:40:34.646 --> 00:40:36.560 to Sydney, to Australia. 853 00:40:36.560 --> 00:40:39.860 And he received multiple honours, 854 00:40:39.860 --> 00:40:41.780 but the peacock feather was sort of 855 00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:44.500 part of the fourth tier of those honours 856 00:40:44.500 --> 00:40:46.960 without going into the enormous detail. 857 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.530 But it's actually like a beautiful way of representing, 858 00:40:51.530 --> 00:40:56.343 all of those parts of his identity in this really, 859 00:40:57.853 --> 00:41:01.720 as part of this set of silhouettes. 860 00:41:01.720 --> 00:41:04.250 So I'm glad we got a chance to talk about Quong 861 00:41:04.250 --> 00:41:08.820 and yes, his main residence in Sydney was in Ashfield 862 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:11.250 and Bee Miles was born there, 863 00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:13.860 so, that's the connection to Quong. 864 00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:17.440 How are we going for time dear, do we have one more? 865 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:19.960 We have probably have time for one more, 866 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:24.200 little jumping its journey, don't we? 867 00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:27.680 Sounds good, do you have a particular fork in the road 868 00:41:27.680 --> 00:41:30.113 that we jumped off that you'd like to feature? 869 00:41:31.770 --> 00:41:32.603 Well, 870 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:35.560 yeah let's have a little look, 871 00:41:35.560 --> 00:41:38.210 since we've done showbiz, right? 872 00:41:38.210 --> 00:41:40.340 Let's have a look at Bob and Dolly Dyer. 873 00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:41.173 Yeah that's have a look at Bob and Dolly. 874 00:41:41.173 --> 00:41:43.714 Haters you just stay, bring up Bob and Dolly there. 875 00:41:45.050 --> 00:41:47.383 And then we'll circle all the way back. 876 00:41:50.934 --> 00:41:52.280 There they are. 877 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:53.830 There we are. 878 00:41:53.830 --> 00:41:57.183 line:15% So just as we started with Hugh in theatre. 879 00:41:59.610 --> 00:42:02.710 line:15% Oh and then Reg Livermore, 880 00:42:02.710 --> 00:42:04.930 line:15% we get Bob and Dolly Dyer. 881 00:42:04.930 --> 00:42:07.270 line:15% So this was the fork in the road that we didn't take, 882 00:42:07.270 --> 00:42:09.330 line:15% when we were connecting to the Reg Livermore. 883 00:42:09.330 --> 00:42:13.260 line:15% So his connection to these two and again, 884 00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:15.410 line:15% we've got some really classic television, 885 00:42:15.410 --> 00:42:17.463 coming up in this programme this time. 886 00:42:19.290 --> 00:42:22.210 They met at the Tivoli, so they were a bit earlier, 887 00:42:22.210 --> 00:42:26.400 than Reg's time at the Tivoli, so they are in 1940. 888 00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:29.610 So Bob Dyer had this, he was from Tennessee 889 00:42:29.610 --> 00:42:33.030 and he had this HillBilly Banjo playing act 890 00:42:33.030 --> 00:42:34.230 and Dolly was a showgirl 891 00:42:35.170 --> 00:42:38.460 and they met in a doorway at the Tivoli. 892 00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:40.520 And two weeks later they got married 893 00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:43.760 and that was the journey to becoming 894 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.233 one of the most iconic couples of Australian Television, 895 00:42:49.038 --> 00:42:50.280 via radio. 896 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.220 So in 1948, they started Pick a Box, 897 00:42:54.220 --> 00:42:59.220 on the radio and it transferred to television in 1957 898 00:42:59.520 --> 00:43:02.390 and continued there for 23 years. 899 00:43:02.390 --> 00:43:06.770 So, that particular programme and this couple, 900 00:43:06.770 --> 00:43:09.357 definitely along with, 901 00:43:09.357 --> 00:43:11.340 "A cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down", 902 00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:13.410 one of those things that's really embedded 903 00:43:13.410 --> 00:43:15.500 in Australian popular culture. 904 00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:17.021 And again we have another Logie, 905 00:43:17.021 --> 00:43:20.640 it's Logie villed here in this programme today, 906 00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:22.853 so, they're clutching their Logie, 907 00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:25.810 which I think, this is undated. 908 00:43:25.810 --> 00:43:28.680 So it's probably from around 1971, 909 00:43:28.680 --> 00:43:30.430 when they received a special Logie, 910 00:43:31.310 --> 00:43:34.200 for their achievements on Australian television, 911 00:43:34.200 --> 00:43:38.370 this portraits by the superlative Ern McQuillan, 912 00:43:38.370 --> 00:43:42.900 who was a photo journalist through in Sydney 913 00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:46.210 and around Australia for a good many years 914 00:43:46.210 --> 00:43:50.290 and these beautiful portraits, 915 00:43:50.290 --> 00:43:53.500 of Australian entertainment 916 00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:56.280 and sporting heroes, 917 00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:57.500 are one of the greatest parts, 918 00:43:57.500 --> 00:43:59.570 of the Portrait Gallery Collection. 919 00:43:59.570 --> 00:44:01.230 But Bob and Dolly there you go, 920 00:44:01.230 --> 00:44:02.640 what a lovely place to end, 921 00:44:02.640 --> 00:44:04.734 with the smiles of Bob and Dolly Dyer. 922 00:44:04.734 --> 00:44:05.600 (laughs) 923 00:44:05.600 --> 00:44:07.903 And I think that's probably where we've gone. 924 00:44:08.810 --> 00:44:11.210 I think we got Six Degrees of Hugh Jackman in there 925 00:44:11.210 --> 00:44:12.620 in the end, didn't we? 926 00:44:12.620 --> 00:44:15.660 Oh, absolutely, we probably had a few more, 927 00:44:15.660 --> 00:44:16.960 thank you so much Penny, 928 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:18.950 for taking us on yet another journey, 929 00:44:18.950 --> 00:44:21.160 through the various convoluted connections 930 00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:24.010 that we find in the Portrait Gallery. 931 00:44:24.010 --> 00:44:25.260 It's always been one of the most, 932 00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:27.350 the things that I've been most passionate about, 933 00:44:27.350 --> 00:44:29.500 working in the digital section here at the Portrait Gallery, 934 00:44:29.500 --> 00:44:32.950 is the connections that we can make our collection. 935 00:44:32.950 --> 00:44:34.560 People get people and it's like always, 936 00:44:34.560 --> 00:44:36.360 like a spider web of personalities 937 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:37.710 that link to other personalities, 938 00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:40.470 so thank you Penny for bringing some of those, 939 00:44:40.470 --> 00:44:44.030 linkages and connections to life in these programmes, 940 00:44:44.030 --> 00:44:46.880 that we've been exploring over the last few months. 941 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:48.830 If you'd like to check out our website, portrait.gov.au, 942 00:44:48.830 --> 00:44:51.090 there's a whole lot of other online 943 00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:54.690 and now in-person, in real life programmes, 944 00:44:54.690 --> 00:44:56.360 that you can explore. 945 00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:58.520 If you would like to join us next Tuesday 946 00:44:58.520 --> 00:45:00.070 for our virtual highlights tour, 947 00:45:00.070 --> 00:45:03.440 we have an Oz land and closed caption programme. 948 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.070 That's all to do with bobbles and blings, 949 00:45:05.070 --> 00:45:07.460 so don't miss that one. 950 00:45:07.460 --> 00:45:10.850 One of our learning facilitators has trolled the collection, 951 00:45:10.850 --> 00:45:13.690 for all of the beautiful jewels and adornments 952 00:45:13.690 --> 00:45:15.240 that people in portraits are wearing 953 00:45:15.240 --> 00:45:18.390 and it's a very good Christmasy feel programme, 954 00:45:18.390 --> 00:45:20.070 for next Tuesday. 955 00:45:20.070 --> 00:45:24.500 What I'd also like to plug as conclusion to this programme, 956 00:45:24.500 --> 00:45:27.120 is the fact that we've got quite a lot of the recordings, 957 00:45:27.120 --> 00:45:29.860 particularly from our Thursday programmes up on our website. 958 00:45:29.860 --> 00:45:32.430 So if you've missed any of our Thursday programmes, 959 00:45:32.430 --> 00:45:37.400 please jump on portrait.gov.au/watch 960 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:38.870 and you'll be able to catch up on, 961 00:45:38.870 --> 00:45:40.590 all of the different programmes that we've been running, 962 00:45:40.590 --> 00:45:42.240 over the last few months. 963 00:45:42.240 --> 00:45:44.150 Thank you so much to everybody for joining us. 964 00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:47.140 Once again, it's been terrific to see all your faces 965 00:45:47.140 --> 00:45:50.020 and I hope you'll join us online again soon. 966 00:45:50.020 --> 00:45:51.943 Thank you so much, see you, bye bye.