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<v ->Franky could you tell us a little bit</v>

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about yourself and your photography?

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<v ->Okay, I first picked up my camera when I was 8 years old,</v>

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and one of my uncle, he was a professional photographer.

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And in the old days, that was back in Hong Kong,

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in the old days,

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if you wanted to get a family portrait done,

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you have to go to the studio,

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everyone sit really tight,

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and he used a four-by-five big camera

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with a cloth covering his head

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and take a photo of us.

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So those were the old days.

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Of course he'd develop his own film and print his own print

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and I loved to sneak into his dark room

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and sniff all those fixer.

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(laughing)

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That particular smell is so distinct,

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and he always kicked me out of course.

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Yeah, so he taught me all the basic,

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he gave me my first little rangefinder when I was eight.

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And since then, I always loved taking a photo,

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particularly human

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'cause I thought human face is fascinating me.

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So that's how I start my photography.

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I still remember when I was like 17, 18 years old,

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it was a long time ago, I'm pretty old now,

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I use a little roller fax to take photo with the girls,

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and I had a very unique experiences.

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I took a photo of one of the girl, and then after 25 years,

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I never contact with that girl and bump into her at work.

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And I actually took that photo, show it to her,

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which is a square photo because it's a roller fax.

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And it was, that moment you can feel that photography

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is so powerful.

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<v ->And was that in Hong Kong?</v>

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<v ->No, that was...</v>

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Okay, the photo, oh, we met in Australia.

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The photo taken in Hong Kong,

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and then we bumped into each other back in Australia.

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He moved to Singapore, so it's a very complicated story,

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but it's just so,

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it just things that's happened very random.

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<v ->The power of photography sort of across the globe.</v>

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<v ->When she look at that photo after 25 years,</v>

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and she never seen it.

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And you can tell from her expression, her eye,

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and you can tell that she is,

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all the memory start coming back,

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and that is the power of it, yeah.

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<v ->It is, you're capturing that moment.</v>

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And so you work as a professional photographer now?

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<v ->Yes, I am, I am, yeah.</v>

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I've been doing design my whole life, moving from print,

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got my master multimedia design from USAID,

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moved into web, and work in the web industry,

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and I hated it to the max

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'cause web design is not about design

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it's all about programming.

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And so 2008 GFCI jumped out

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and start my own business doing portray family

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and major in wedding

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'cause wedding I got a lot of chance to capturing people

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and I'm a very people person, I talk a lot.

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<v ->Yeah, it's very, very intimate</v>

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and trustworthy photographing people's weddings.

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And there is a wedding photo in Living Memory,

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you probably saw it, by John Benevento,

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a cross-cultural wedding,

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which is a lovely sort of McCubbin sort of style photo.

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And so that's sort of your path but you also take

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a lot of your own creative photography as well

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outside your work.

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<v ->Yes I do, I do.</v>

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As I said, people faces fascinating me.

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I love to take portrait of different people.

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And I remember once Kennan campaigned

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asking five photographer or six photographers

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to photograph one person,

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and that person telling us different story.

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And so end up with the same guy

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with six different, very different portrait.

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<v ->Ah, yeah, I think I remember seeing that</v>

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and then people sort of thinking who that person was

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from the way they presented and then...

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Yeah, that was very powerful even about photography,

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but perception of others as well.

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<v ->Yes, the concept behind it is really fun.</v>

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So that guy is a professional actor,

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and he actually told us different story

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and make us believe that he's that person.

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And as a photographer, everyone have a point of view.

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Everyone have a perception of who you are.

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As a photographer, within like five, 10 minutes,

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we need to capture you, not only outside,

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but trying to get the soul out from it.

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<v ->So you were one of the photographers</v>

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on that shoot?
<v ->Yes I was.</v>

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<v ->Oh, that's amazing.</v>

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<v ->I was, yes I was.</v>

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And within a few minutes, have a chat with him,

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and then we need to take that photo and capture,

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using a lot of different things,

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but to capture that,

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how we think he is based on what he told us.

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And I think that make a good portraiture

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very interesting to do, yeah.

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<v ->Yeah, there's certainly a trust there</v>

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when you're photographing people that you have to develop.

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But I guess that leads us into your work in Living Memory.

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So that sunbath after lockdown,

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which is a very personal work for you.

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<v ->It's a very, very personal work.</v>

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It's right outside our house.

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(laughing)

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So because we got lock down in all the beaches,

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and we can't go anyway, and that day was a sunny day,

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and I saw all the shadow from the laundry

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and my wife is feeding McKella, just sitting outside,

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and oh, this is a lovely frame.

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So I just took the frame.

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<v ->Yeah, it's like a scene from a painting to me,</v>

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sort of like a Vermeer or sort of one of those Dutch masters

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sort of family life,

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it's very quiet, but the composition's beautiful.

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Even like a bit of a modern day Madonna and child

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with that softness and the connection

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between sort of Alice and McKella, and then you as well

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being allowed into that intimate moment.

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One of the interesting things about it

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is you don't really see their faces too much.

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It's a side profile of Alice looking down at McKella,

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but it's still so, so much.

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<v ->Yap.</v>

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Sometimes it's not only the faces,

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but the whole environment, I guess.

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<v ->And the light's beautiful in it too that afternoon,</v>

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is it afternoon light?

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<v ->Yes, don't you love our Australian sun?</v>

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<v ->With spiles.</v>

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Australian sunsets and sunrises are just beautiful.

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<v ->Yeah, but that is actually in the middle of the day.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, yeah, well then you get those lovely shadows.</v>

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So, what do you think,

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what do you think being part of Living Memory

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and then being sort of welcomed into that NPPP family,

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which has got a long history of

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like successful photographers,

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what do you think that'll mean for your photography career

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or personally, what does that mean to you?

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<v ->NPPP, okay.</v>

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I was in Head-On Festival before.

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I actually was, I got the People-Choice Award back in 2010.

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<v ->I remember the photo, yeah.</v>

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The yoga teacher.

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<v ->Yoga teacher, yeah.</v>
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<v ->I was in Moran Portrait Report, a finalist,</v>

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I was in Australian Life.

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I tried to enter NPPP for portrait, a decade.

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(laughing) A decade.

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<v ->Lindo, Lindo, I honest, she-</v>

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<v ->Yes I know, yes.</v>

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<v ->She's a very good friend of me.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, she's been a finalist, yes, Lindo.</v>

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<v ->And some other couple friend as well.</v>

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They've been in the finalist.

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<v ->The community.</v>
<v ->When I look at them,</v>

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they were in, my face turn really, really green.

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(both laughing)

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Persistent, yeah.

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So I keep enter every year,

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I keep enter every year, finally I'm in

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which is a big, big honour for me.

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I love to be part of it,

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and I will keep working hard and trying,

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keep trying every year.

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I don't know, to be honest to you

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because this year is really special.

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<v Tara>It is.</v>

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(Franky laughing)

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<v ->We don't have the opening,</v>

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we may or may not have the party,

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and I didn't even see my work there yet.

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<v ->I know.</v>

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<v ->I know, so this year is really different.</v>

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<v ->A lot of changes,</v>

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but also like some of the crazy stuff with it

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is the calibre of the judges

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and the calibre of the other photographers

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that have been hung in it as well.

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Like it's incredibly high this year.

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<v ->Yep.</v>

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Yeah, Nick was in this year.

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He is not, he don't photograph people that much,

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he photographs weather a lot. (laughing)

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I know this guy.

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So I'm dying to go there

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and meet all the other photographer at the Gallery.

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<v ->Well that was why</v>

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when we did our online opening and stuff,

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I was actually getting choked up

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'cause that's my favourite part as well,

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of like meeting everyone and getting to see,

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like for you to see Alice and your daughter

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with the portrait and that photographic community,

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but we'll keep par

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working towards getting something happening.

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<v ->Yep.</v>

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In terms of job-wise, it help a lot

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'cause when I'm talking to my bride and groom,

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I told them about NPPP, everyone is so happy for me.

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I mean the most prestige gallery in Australia.

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<v ->The portrait side is, yeah.</v>

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We'll just go with the latter.

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<v ->Yeah. (laughing)</v>

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<v ->Well done, you deserve it.</v>

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It's so beautiful and it got a lot of, I mean,

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it's really lovely sometimes

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to go and just walk through the gallery

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without wearing your badge or anything

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and just listen to people talk about the works.

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So hearing what people say.

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And even when we share them online

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all the comments of what people say

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or what it means to them or, it's very emotive.

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So, I guess one thing we did speak on a little bit

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was how have locked downs and all the changes in the world

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and the way you approach photography,

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I guess, professionally and personally?

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<v ->Let's say personally first, I do a lot of portrait work,</v>

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I do a lot of street work, and do you,

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you shoot as well, right?

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<v ->No, I haven't for a while, I just love photography.</v>

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<v ->Okay, yeah, a lot of street photography,</v>

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a lot of street guy,

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when you talk to them there's always stuff

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by their owned area or the city,

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and then they move to other city

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and go travelling and stuff like that

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and then they will say, "Oh, you don't..."

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For example, if we are Sidney, they will say,

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"Ah, we don't photograph in Sydney anymore because..."

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They always go outside.

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But now is a good time to come back.

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and walk around the street,

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which I've been walking around so many times,

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but still you come back to where you start.

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And I guess this lockdown,

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it's a way that you can actually

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trying to slow down a little bit

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back to where you start

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and think about the whole thing again.

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<v ->Well, Sydney without the people and the hustle and bustle</v>

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is a different place altogether, a different planet.

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<v ->Well, before,</v>

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when this first start last year,

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beginning of last year, the first,

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the (indistinct) all start,

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all the Southern city was just so quiet.

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But slowly, it actually went back to kind of normal,

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not as busy, but still it's getting a lot more people.

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And up until this time, yeah.

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Now it's basically, it's that town.

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<v ->And obviously it's had an effect on you professionally</v>

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because weddings

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and the things that as a professional photographer,

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you're making your income on have been seriously affected.

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<v ->Yes, luckily the government helped out quite a lot.</v>

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Without their help, we'd be already all out of business.

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But then, people are still getting married.

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They just postponed.

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Yeah, so the job's still there.

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Luckily, after the whole pandemic,

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I only have like two or three cancelled.

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It's just three plus they might be in,

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they are interstate or oversee or all their family.

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I have one of the wedding

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is actually meant to be 150-people wedding.

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But because all the major people can't come from oversea,

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so they decided to go for a very, very simple one.

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So we got only the bride and groom, the celebrant, me,

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the makeup, and sunrise on the beach.

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<v ->Beautiful.</v>

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<v ->Yes, and I was actually one of the witness.</v>

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<v ->Oh, that's cool, doubling up.</v>

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So I guess when lock down eases,

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you're gonna need a hell of a lot of coffee

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to get through all of these jobs.

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<v ->Yes, yes, yes.</v>

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Our team is quite full now.

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Throughout these three, four months,

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it's a blessing because

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I can spend much more time Mckella.

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But then on the other hand is,

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she missed out on a lot of social life as well?

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Because she, even a toddler, they need a social life.

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<v ->How old is she now?</v>

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<v ->She's nine months old now,</v>

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she was born on last Christmas day.

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<v ->Oh, beautiful.</v>

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How cute, so coming up to her first birthday nearly.

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<v ->Yes, coming, coming.</v>

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But then when the lockdown open,

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I'll be so busy.

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I'll probably need to work

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at least one or two weddings a weekend.

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<v ->Yeah.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, it will be very, very, very busy.</v>

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<v ->But good busy.</v>

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<v ->Yes.</v>

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<v ->Getting back to what you love.</v>

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<v ->But I think I need a few weeks to get myself into it.</v>

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<v ->(laughing) Start doing your pushups now.</v>

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<v ->Not only getting very lazy, but gaining a lot of weight.</v>

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<v ->Everyone's the same.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, I was talking to my yoga instructor</v>

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and then she was saying, "Don't worry, Franky,

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we're all on the same boat."

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<v ->Everybody's the same,</v>

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we're gonna emerge in the same way.

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<v ->Yes.</v>

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<v ->So one of the things a lot of people ask about,</v>

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the public and aspiring photographers

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are interested in when you become a finalist

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in Living Memory or NPPP as we know it is.

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What is your selected equipment,

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what equipment do you use,

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and the style of photography you prefer?

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<v ->I always think equipment is the last bit,</v>

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it's always the last bit,

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the best camera is the camera in your head.

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Even the final, okay?

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<v Tara>Yeah.</v>

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<v ->But then I think I'm moving into the mirror-less now.</v>

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I always use rangefinder,

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but sometimes when you transfer it's too slow to work with.

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So when we work, we're always with SAR,

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but now I think I'm moving to mirror-less

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'cause the technology's there compared-

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<v ->And your personal style of photography,</v>

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what would you think is your niche

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that you love to photograph personally?

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<v ->What do you mean?</v>

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<v ->Like, I know you focus on portraiture,</v>

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but would it be stuff like,

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well, you said street photography,

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is it going around and photographing people on the street

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or just what you'd see at that time.

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<v ->In terms of what?</v>

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<v ->Your personal style of photography,</v>

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how would you class yourself as a photographer?

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Like a street photography?

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<v ->I wouldn't say I'm a street photographer.</v>

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I'm still thinking I'm a people person, I'm a portraiture.

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<v ->Yap, portrait artist.</v>

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<v ->Even when I'm doing street, I remember years ago I was,</v>

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do you ever heard of a guy named Richard Bellingham?

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<v ->I remember the name, yes.</v>

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<v ->He was a YouTube photographer,</v>

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he was famous a long time ago

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and he came to Australia teaching in ANU for a while

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and we've become friends, very good friend.

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He's a very funny guy.

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So we actually drove a car to Broken Hill,

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right in the middle of,

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at the heart of New South Wales.

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So we stayed there for two days.

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We actually set up a four by five on the street,

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tracking people from the street,

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(Tara laughter drowns out speaker)

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take a photo of them.

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<v ->Adventures of youth.</v>

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<v ->Just have fun.</v>

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Even on the street, we try to get portrait.

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<v ->Yeah, I guess...</v>

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You go.

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<v ->Yeah, so I guess I will call myself a portraiture</v>

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rather than a street photographer.

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Yeah.

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<v ->And do you have any tips for aspiring photographers?</v>

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Like it was interesting

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you said you continue to enter the prize over and over,

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so perseverance.
<v ->No, just got a little tough.</v>

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Be yourself, don't think about the end result too much,

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enjoy the process.

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That's the most important bit

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because the end result we never can control.

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<v ->You suddenly learn every time</v>

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even you put an entry in a prize, right?

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You're writing your artist's statement

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and picking your best work, and...

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<v ->Hundred percent.</v>

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<v ->That's yeah.</v>
<v ->Hundred percent.</v>

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Just be yourself, do whatever you love the most,

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then you will do it better and better.

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<v ->Good advice.</v>

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<v ->Yes.</v>

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<v ->So what about photographers or artists</v>

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that inspire you or that you look up to?

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<v ->I have a few.</v>

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<v ->That's all right, go for it.</v>

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<v ->Richard Avedon.</v>

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I love his work.

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He is, probably one of the old master

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that can sew around the fine art in a commercial

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and both very successful.

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He's one of great master, I love the-

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<v ->We did have an Avedon exhibition here a few years ago</v>

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at the Portrait Gallery,

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so I was lucky enough to work

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with one of the agents that runs his gallery.

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I've actually got one of his photos

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hanging above my desk of the basketballers,

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which is just beautiful.

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Like it's just a print out, it's not a real one,

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but I also I love Avedon.

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<v ->Yeah, his work is just amazing.</v>

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His work, it's, even his fashion work,

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it's so simple, so minimal.

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And I always say simpler it is, longer it lasts.

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And when you look at it, the photograph taken in 1950 old,

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it just still look so fashioned right now.

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<v ->Yeah, timeless.</v>

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<v ->It's timeless, yeah.</v>

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This is how, good artwork can be just timeless.

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<v ->Who else?</v>

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<v ->One of the wedding photographer I love,</v>

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and he's also kind of my mentor as well, Rocco.

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<v ->Rocco-</v>

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<v ->Is it Rocco Ancora?</v>

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<v ->Oh, Rocco Ancora yeah.</v>

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He influenced me a lot.

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The way how I shoot, and the way how I tell a story.

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He actually influenced me a lot.

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<v ->And what about any artists?</v>

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Do you only look at photographers,

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or are you often inspired by art

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'cause with your photo in Living Memory,

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it's almost like a painterly quality

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the way it's set out and the composition.

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<v ->Yes, I do.</v>

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I come from art school, so I studied quite a lot art.

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I love a lot of painting.

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But then come down to name again, (laughing)

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name is the worst thing (laughter drowns out speaker)

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and numbers.

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So I do read a lot of books

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around painting and stuff like that.

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One other guy that I really like,

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it's Kermit, the guy who paint gold painting.

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<v ->Is it Kermit Oliver?</v>

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<v ->Kermit Oliver, yeah.</v>

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The way he, because if you ask me,

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a lot of people saying, how do I put it?

461
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Okay, a lot of people, I've been asked this question a lot.

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What is a good photograph?

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What is a good photograph?

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Photos is coming from painting, all right?

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So the same thing.

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So what's a good painting, what's a good photo?

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A lot of people say it in different,

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different people give you different answer.

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Light, composition, gesture, storytelling,

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and stuff like that.

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But I think a good photo

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is a photo that you've never seen before.

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So if you're an astronaut and you went up,

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you just take a photo of the earth,

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no one's seen that before, great photo.

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So we're always trying to find new element

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or different thing to photograph,

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or a different view, or different light

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or using different things

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to make the viewer to see differently.

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And Kermit, he used one of the very good technique,

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which is putting gold into his,

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a real gold into his painting

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and this make things very differently.

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<v ->Yeah, the light, obviously.</v>

486
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<v ->Yeah, it's just different.</v>

487
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Rather than just a paint,

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just using paint to put it on the canvas,

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he actually used something different.

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So it just, when I work,

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I always try to find something different

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to put into my work, to make it little bit different.

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That's one of the reasons why I love his work.

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<v ->So one of the things, and one of the questions I have,</v>

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and we sort of actually started,

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we started with this one was,

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can you remember the first photo you ever took,

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like the first phot you have a conscious of taking.

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<v ->Conscious?</v>

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I think...

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Consciously I remember, all right?

502
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I think it's when I was quite young,

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I took my father's ash stray

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and it's a different shape,

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not only just an empty plate but they got things inside,

506
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and I use a torch to go different side

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to light up the ash tray,

508
00:24:09.293 --> 00:24:11.823
and then use a very small point-and-shoot

509
00:24:11.823 --> 00:24:13.865
and take photo of it.

510
00:24:13.865 --> 00:24:15.441
And I still got that photo.

511
00:24:15.441 --> 00:24:16.996
<v ->That's amazing.</v>

512
00:24:16.996 --> 00:24:18.819
<v ->Yeah, I was really young,</v>

513
00:24:18.819 --> 00:24:22.394
probably about 12, 13, something like that.

514
00:24:22.394 --> 00:24:23.522
<v ->And just with the family</v>

515
00:24:23.522 --> 00:24:25.767
sort of snap-and-shoot camera that you had, or-

516
00:24:25.767 --> 00:24:27.450
(overlapping chatter)

517
00:24:27.450 --> 00:24:28.346
Yeah, that's the one.

518
00:24:28.346 --> 00:24:32.679
<v ->It just a very small (indistinct)</v>

519
00:24:33.967 --> 00:24:37.878
<v ->And this is not only you just go out and boom,</v>

520
00:24:37.878 --> 00:24:40.602
just point and shoot a photo, but really-

521
00:24:40.602 --> 00:24:42.149
<v ->You're setting it up.</v>
<v ->Explore it.</v>

522
00:24:42.149 --> 00:24:43.918
Yeah, and trying to explore it.

523
00:24:43.918 --> 00:24:46.374
How light affecting that thing.

524
00:24:46.374 --> 00:24:48.050
And I still got those photo.

525
00:24:48.050 --> 00:24:49.821
<v ->And seeing it as an object.</v>

526
00:24:49.821 --> 00:24:53.570
<v ->Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a long time ago.</v>

527
00:24:53.570 --> 00:24:54.978
<v ->So what about dream subjects?</v>

528
00:24:54.978 --> 00:24:57.138
If you could get anyone in the world

529
00:24:57.138 --> 00:25:00.963
in front of your camera, who do you think you'd go for?

530
00:25:00.963 --> 00:25:03.463
<v ->Oh, I never thought of that.</v>

531
00:25:05.104 --> 00:25:06.687
What would I shoot?

532
00:25:12.466 --> 00:25:14.338
Remember there's a photographer,

533
00:25:14.338 --> 00:25:18.956
he photographed nude people in a massive scale.

534
00:25:18.956 --> 00:25:21.206
(laughing)

535
00:25:22.287 --> 00:25:26.053
If I could get people nude and lie there,

536
00:25:26.053 --> 00:25:30.778
I want to try that. (both laughing)

537
00:25:30.778 --> 00:25:33.431
<v ->I know the guy where everyone goes to like a scene</v>

538
00:25:33.431 --> 00:25:34.941
and yeah.

539
00:25:34.941 --> 00:25:37.318
<v ->Yeah, you know who am I talking about.</v>

540
00:25:37.318 --> 00:25:40.350
I can't remember the name.
<v ->Me too.</v>

541
00:25:40.350 --> 00:25:41.662
It's unique.

542
00:25:41.662 --> 00:25:46.058
<v ->I probably want to try nude in a massive scale.</v>

543
00:25:46.058 --> 00:25:48.310
<v ->Nude flashmob by Franky.</v>

544
00:25:48.310 --> 00:25:49.819
(Franky laughing)

545
00:25:49.819 --> 00:25:50.928
<v ->Flashmob nude.</v>

546
00:25:50.928 --> 00:25:53.608
(both laughing)

547
00:25:53.608 --> 00:25:54.586
That'll be fun.

548
00:25:54.586 --> 00:25:55.669
<v ->Check boom.</v>

549
00:25:57.545 --> 00:26:01.192
<v ->Everyone right outside Oprah House.</v>

550
00:26:01.192 --> 00:26:03.066
<v ->It'd be cool.</v>

551
00:26:03.066 --> 00:26:05.879
Well, I mean, lockdown is ending, people are gonna go crazy.

552
00:26:05.879 --> 00:26:09.096
I'm just saying now might be the time.

553
00:26:09.096 --> 00:26:10.314
Shoot your shot.

554
00:26:10.314 --> 00:26:11.310
<v ->Yeah, I want to try some big scale in nude, yeah.</v>

555
00:26:16.645 --> 00:26:20.702
Yeah, so, it's just some crazy thought.

556
00:26:20.702 --> 00:26:23.724
<v ->All right, what about any shout outs or thank yous,</v>

557
00:26:23.724 --> 00:26:27.188
that you wanna pass on in the interviewing?

558
00:26:27.188 --> 00:26:31.271
<v ->I really want to thank you, you guys hard work.</v>

559
00:26:32.463 --> 00:26:36.388
And I really want to thank you NP, National Project Gallery

560
00:26:36.388 --> 00:26:40.319
'cause without you guys, I mean, we won't,

561
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.266
although we still didn't able to get together yet,

562
00:26:43.266 --> 00:26:45.768
but I'm looking forward to it, yeah.

563
00:26:45.768 --> 00:26:48.287
<v ->Yeah, well, thank you.</v>

564
00:26:48.287 --> 00:26:50.313
Everyone thanks us, but as well, it's you guys

565
00:26:50.313 --> 00:26:52.639
that make up the show,

566
00:26:52.639 --> 00:26:54.726
you're the bricks and we're just the mortar really

567
00:26:54.726 --> 00:26:56.621
that's holding the wall together.

568
00:26:56.621 --> 00:26:57.787
<v ->No, you're the land.</v>

569
00:26:57.787 --> 00:27:01.050
Without the land, even the brick and motor

570
00:27:01.050 --> 00:27:03.679
they got nowhere to go.

571
00:27:03.679 --> 00:27:07.012
So this is the most basic, you guys are,

572
00:27:08.253 --> 00:27:10.686
as long as you guys there, we always come to you.

573
00:27:10.686 --> 00:27:12.258
<v ->Thank you so much.</v>

574
00:27:12.258 --> 00:27:14.527
Well, now you're part of the family, really?

575
00:27:14.527 --> 00:27:16.437
<v ->Yeah, well, I'll keep working hard.</v>

576
00:27:16.437 --> 00:27:18.597
Hopefully next year, my hard work is gonna hang there

577
00:27:18.597 --> 00:27:19.603
with the opening.

578
00:27:19.603 --> 00:27:23.032
<v ->You've broken (indistinct), we're going.</v>

579
00:27:23.032 --> 00:27:25.506
What about Franky's parting words of wisdom,

580
00:27:25.506 --> 00:27:26.546
so this is the last one.

581
00:27:26.546 --> 00:27:28.801
So this can just be advice on any scale:

582
00:27:28.801 --> 00:27:32.544
photography, life, your words of wisdom.

583
00:27:32.544 --> 00:27:35.889
<v ->Well, I guess forget about the end result,</v>

584
00:27:35.889 --> 00:27:37.867
enjoy the process.

585
00:27:37.867 --> 00:27:42.093
Enjoy every time you click on that shutter

586
00:27:42.093 --> 00:27:42.926
Yeah.