WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.194 --> 00:00:08.152 My name is Tara, 2 00:00:08.152 --> 00:00:09.639 and I'm the exhibitions coordinator 3 00:00:09.639 --> 00:00:11.635 and chief artists wrangler 4 00:00:11.635 --> 00:00:14.995 at the National Poetry Gallery in Canberra. 5 00:00:14.995 --> 00:00:18.547 And we're reporting from Ngunnawal in Ngambri country, 6 00:00:18.547 --> 00:00:21.639 and I'd like to extend my respects to the elders past, 7 00:00:21.639 --> 00:00:25.030 present, and emerging, and I'm here with Joel Pratley, 8 00:00:25.030 --> 00:00:28.057 winner of the Living Memory NPPP 2021. 9 00:00:28.057 --> 00:00:28.946 Hey Joel. 10 00:00:28.946 --> 00:00:30.102 Hey, good day. 11 00:00:30.102 --> 00:00:31.852 Thanks for having me. 12 00:00:33.326 --> 00:00:34.159 No worries. 13 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:35.846 Thanks for Zooming me. 14 00:00:35.846 --> 00:00:37.834 So I got just a little list of questions, 15 00:00:37.834 --> 00:00:39.462 so we'll get started. 16 00:00:39.462 --> 00:00:42.056 So the first is just intro yourself. 17 00:00:42.056 --> 00:00:47.056 Tell us a little bit about yourself and your photography! 18 00:00:47.227 --> 00:00:48.413 Oh, goodness. 19 00:00:48.413 --> 00:00:51.524 I usually have to talk these things up. 20 00:00:51.524 --> 00:00:54.577 Well, my name's Joel Pratley. 21 00:00:54.577 --> 00:00:57.222 I'm 32, I currently live in Red Fern. 22 00:00:57.222 --> 00:01:01.973 I've been working as a photographer for about seven years, 23 00:01:01.973 --> 00:01:06.238 but I first fell in love with photography in high school. 24 00:01:06.238 --> 00:01:07.822 It was one of my elective subjects 25 00:01:07.822 --> 00:01:10.766 and it was one of the only things I was good at. 26 00:01:10.766 --> 00:01:13.224 And after a few years of neglecting it. 27 00:01:13.224 --> 00:01:16.742 in my early twenties, I decided to take it on full-time 28 00:01:16.742 --> 00:01:20.690 and had a couple of trips overseas, backpacking, 29 00:01:20.690 --> 00:01:22.910 and each time I came back, I guess I fell 30 00:01:22.910 --> 00:01:27.910 more in love with Australia and an Australian type of story. 31 00:01:28.776 --> 00:01:33.276 You know, I guess my feed developed into storytelling, 32 00:01:35.488 --> 00:01:39.988 and in particular, I tend to connect and share stories 33 00:01:41.094 --> 00:01:45.761 of people that have been dealing with adverse situations 34 00:01:46.689 --> 00:01:49.272 and shedding some light on that 35 00:01:50.659 --> 00:01:54.854 and helping bring their story into a more public space, 36 00:01:54.854 --> 00:01:57.106 whether it be in a commercial context 37 00:01:57.106 --> 00:02:00.483 or in a personal project that may, you know, 38 00:02:00.483 --> 00:02:03.900 reach a news outlet as a editorial story. 39 00:02:05.094 --> 00:02:05.927 That's awesome. 40 00:02:05.927 --> 00:02:07.550 So sort of like a documentary style, 41 00:02:07.550 --> 00:02:09.889 but you know, in telling some of your own life 42 00:02:09.889 --> 00:02:11.306 as well it seems. 43 00:02:12.911 --> 00:02:13.744 Yeah. 44 00:02:13.744 --> 00:02:14.577 I've had, 45 00:02:17.901 --> 00:02:19.197 one of my first images 46 00:02:19.197 --> 00:02:21.454 that was in the national portrait prize, 47 00:02:21.454 --> 00:02:24.621 so to be I think three times in total 48 00:02:26.313 --> 00:02:30.422 with four images is fantastic, but one of the images 49 00:02:30.422 --> 00:02:33.521 in particular was a photo of my mum. 50 00:02:33.521 --> 00:02:34.534 So I guess it's more like 51 00:02:34.534 --> 00:02:36.966 a confessional style of photography 52 00:02:36.966 --> 00:02:40.383 where you're sharing details of your life 53 00:02:41.489 --> 00:02:43.475 in terms of, you know, a portrait of mum, 54 00:02:43.475 --> 00:02:47.176 but I think that's a bit of a classic subject, 55 00:02:47.176 --> 00:02:48.876 but I think it's one that people overlook 56 00:02:48.876 --> 00:02:51.108 quite a lot and want to go out and do, you know, 57 00:02:51.108 --> 00:02:56.108 stories of people wide and far, but I felt, you know, 58 00:02:56.143 --> 00:03:01.143 starting at home was quite a good way to approach that. 59 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:02.994 And yeah, mum just lived in these, 60 00:03:02.994 --> 00:03:05.747 like a beautiful, like yellow brick quintessential 61 00:03:05.747 --> 00:03:09.096 kind of retro block of flats, you know, 62 00:03:09.096 --> 00:03:12.851 and yeah, she always complains I never take photos of her. 63 00:03:12.851 --> 00:03:14.630 One day I finally take a photo of her, 64 00:03:14.630 --> 00:03:17.203 and it made it into the prize, so. 65 00:03:17.203 --> 00:03:19.587 Yeah, we've had a few of your family members in. 66 00:03:19.587 --> 00:03:20.582 I think that's the thing is. 67 00:03:20.582 --> 00:03:22.724 You're telling, you know, it's people you know as well, 68 00:03:22.724 --> 00:03:24.631 like what stories you know, 69 00:03:24.631 --> 00:03:28.465 it gives it better authenticity sometimes in photos. 70 00:03:28.465 --> 00:03:29.797 More connection. 71 00:03:29.797 --> 00:03:30.694 Definitely. 72 00:03:30.694 --> 00:03:33.944 I also think their story or part of my, 73 00:03:35.349 --> 00:03:38.049 not necessarily my family, but the, in terms of, 74 00:03:38.049 --> 00:03:41.044 you know, where I grew up in Woolongong and, you know, 75 00:03:41.044 --> 00:03:45.199 a bit of a downbeat suburbia as I like to think of it, 76 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.797 but in a cool way, you know. 77 00:03:47.797 --> 00:03:48.964 Very real way. 78 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:53.099 It was really nice that those images 79 00:03:54.860 --> 00:03:57.510 kind of struck a chord with people 80 00:03:57.510 --> 00:04:01.145 and was able to come out in the national portrait prize 81 00:04:01.145 --> 00:04:04.982 and kind of get some exposure and, you know, appreciation, 82 00:04:04.982 --> 00:04:09.482 you know, 'cause, you know, life isn't always kind of, 83 00:04:10.428 --> 00:04:13.204 you know, through rose coloured glasses sometimes, you know? 84 00:04:13.204 --> 00:04:17.849 But that doesn't mean that it's not worth celebrating 85 00:04:17.849 --> 00:04:19.833 in its own kind of way. 86 00:04:19.833 --> 00:04:20.666 Yeah. 87 00:04:20.666 --> 00:04:21.578 Yeah. 88 00:04:21.578 --> 00:04:22.794 Well, I guess that leads us into 89 00:04:22.794 --> 00:04:25.290 like your winning photo issue, "Drought Story." 90 00:04:25.290 --> 00:04:26.779 Did you want to start to tell us a little bit 91 00:04:26.779 --> 00:04:29.096 about that photo and how it came about? 92 00:04:29.096 --> 00:04:32.650 Yeah, so "Drought Story: is quite interesting 93 00:04:32.650 --> 00:04:36.567 'cause I, that one's not my family members, so. 94 00:04:37.402 --> 00:04:40.728 I know Nana was holding out to be like, 95 00:04:40.728 --> 00:04:43.654 Nana was gonna be like, I remember when she came, 96 00:04:43.654 --> 00:04:46.107 I was like, Nana's gonna be in it, but- 97 00:04:46.107 --> 00:04:47.190 Yeah, yeah. 98 00:04:47.190 --> 00:04:49.322 Nan's still on the hit list, 99 00:04:49.322 --> 00:04:52.251 so she's definitely got a bit of an inning's left, 100 00:04:52.251 --> 00:04:54.951 so I've hopefully got a few more years 101 00:04:54.951 --> 00:04:59.411 and a few more attempts of getting her in again. 102 00:04:59.411 --> 00:05:03.411 But so the farmer, that came about through a job 103 00:05:06.188 --> 00:05:08.394 that I was commissioned for, 104 00:05:08.394 --> 00:05:11.227 which was with BPAY for Rural Aid, 105 00:05:12.554 --> 00:05:16.971 and the idea was to go out and photograph three farms 106 00:05:19.282 --> 00:05:21.753 which were willing to show the extent 107 00:05:21.753 --> 00:05:24.475 of how much the drought had destroyed 108 00:05:24.475 --> 00:05:28.140 their kind of livelihood and the land itself. 109 00:05:28.140 --> 00:05:29.892 So we went out to three different farms 110 00:05:29.892 --> 00:05:32.704 and it was pretty bleak, 111 00:05:32.704 --> 00:05:35.160 and we were doing kind of like a day in the life of 112 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.430 to kind of show how even the, 113 00:05:37.430 --> 00:05:40.664 your kind of day-to-day tasks had become 114 00:05:40.664 --> 00:05:43.318 very, very arduous and very demanding 115 00:05:43.318 --> 00:05:46.651 and very, I guess, demoralising as well. 116 00:05:48.559 --> 00:05:51.295 But with this particular image, we, 117 00:05:51.295 --> 00:05:53.795 just a dust storm just hit us. 118 00:05:54.779 --> 00:05:57.696 So we were there with a small team. 119 00:05:59.673 --> 00:06:01.482 There was Kara Barkley that was directing 120 00:06:01.482 --> 00:06:03.917 and Campbell Brown that was the director of photography, 121 00:06:03.917 --> 00:06:07.749 kind of filming a motion kind of ad component as well, 122 00:06:07.749 --> 00:06:10.896 and I was there as the photographer doing the still images 123 00:06:10.896 --> 00:06:13.137 for the project and the campaign. 124 00:06:13.137 --> 00:06:16.720 So when it hit us, we were just scrambling, 125 00:06:19.793 --> 00:06:23.539 you know, just lots of, we didn't really think about 126 00:06:23.539 --> 00:06:26.530 our kind of safety or the safety of the equipment, 127 00:06:26.530 --> 00:06:30.731 it was just kind of we knew something special was happening, 128 00:06:30.731 --> 00:06:34.870 so we just tried to capture that moment. 129 00:06:34.870 --> 00:06:39.370 And I guess this was the moment that I managed to get. 130 00:06:41.395 --> 00:06:44.385 I think like one of the amazing things about that was, 131 00:06:44.385 --> 00:06:46.587 and I sent you a lot of the links, 132 00:06:46.587 --> 00:06:50.004 was that regional outpouring that we got. 133 00:06:51.362 --> 00:06:54.357 Like so many regional newspapers shared the image, 134 00:06:54.357 --> 00:06:57.911 which hasn't really happened before with the prize. 135 00:06:57.911 --> 00:07:00.098 And so many people in those regional areas 136 00:07:00.098 --> 00:07:02.065 and affected by droughts and farmers 137 00:07:02.065 --> 00:07:07.065 really embraced that their story was being told as well. 138 00:07:07.373 --> 00:07:10.553 Yeah, I was always quite surprised as well. 139 00:07:10.553 --> 00:07:13.167 And, but, you know, in a really good way, 140 00:07:13.167 --> 00:07:16.077 because, you know, being someone that grew up on the coast 141 00:07:16.077 --> 00:07:20.160 and then moved to Sydney, I'm kind of not so much 142 00:07:21.377 --> 00:07:24.710 at the mercy of drought in that context. 143 00:07:26.215 --> 00:07:30.298 So to be able to go out there and create an image 144 00:07:32.001 --> 00:07:35.501 and share a story that kind of dignifies that struggle 145 00:07:35.501 --> 00:07:38.753 and that people that throughout rural Australia 146 00:07:38.753 --> 00:07:42.933 can connect and relate to in a variety of ways, 147 00:07:42.933 --> 00:07:45.552 and were happy about that as well, 148 00:07:45.552 --> 00:07:48.142 well, I'm not sure is the right word, 149 00:07:48.142 --> 00:07:50.297 but got a sense of kind of pride and dignity 150 00:07:50.297 --> 00:07:53.793 out of relating to that struggle, 151 00:07:53.793 --> 00:07:54.626 that's awesome. 152 00:07:54.626 --> 00:07:57.040 That was really, really awesome. 153 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:58.623 Yeah, for us too. 154 00:08:00.581 --> 00:08:03.059 So I guess like one thing would be interesting 155 00:08:03.059 --> 00:08:05.807 to chat to you about is you've been a photographer 156 00:08:05.807 --> 00:08:09.043 for a while now, and you sort of starting to 157 00:08:09.043 --> 00:08:11.543 really get your name out there and be successful, 158 00:08:11.543 --> 00:08:14.821 like some tips or how did you get to where you are now 159 00:08:14.821 --> 00:08:15.749 with your work? 160 00:08:15.749 --> 00:08:18.210 Because I think sometimes when you win a prize, 161 00:08:18.210 --> 00:08:20.701 it's like, oh, you've come out of nowhere. 162 00:08:20.701 --> 00:08:23.482 You know it's like, but you've had so much, 163 00:08:23.482 --> 00:08:26.161 we've seen your work behind the scenes for a long time, 164 00:08:26.161 --> 00:08:29.203 but yeah, like how did you get to where you are now 165 00:08:29.203 --> 00:08:30.453 with your work? 166 00:08:31.523 --> 00:08:32.356 Thank you. 167 00:08:32.356 --> 00:08:35.880 I have been thinking about this a little bit lately 168 00:08:35.880 --> 00:08:39.884 because when the news broke, I was able to, 169 00:08:39.884 --> 00:08:42.821 I guess, celebrate and also reflect 170 00:08:42.821 --> 00:08:47.408 and have some really good conversations with some mentors. 171 00:08:47.408 --> 00:08:49.314 'Cause I worked as a photography assistant 172 00:08:49.314 --> 00:08:52.797 for about seven years and learned a lot of the craft. 173 00:08:52.797 --> 00:08:56.783 Technical, but also more kind of like a mindset 174 00:08:56.783 --> 00:09:01.687 as well and how to do this kind of area of photography. 175 00:09:01.687 --> 00:09:04.277 'Cause I work off I guess a commission basis. 176 00:09:04.277 --> 00:09:07.777 So I do projects that I really like to do, 177 00:09:09.915 --> 00:09:12.643 and then in essence, hopefully create 178 00:09:12.643 --> 00:09:14.847 some sort of a positive change or awareness 179 00:09:14.847 --> 00:09:16.863 with that project. 180 00:09:16.863 --> 00:09:20.780 And then, you know, a commercial kind of entity 181 00:09:22.183 --> 00:09:25.595 will link up and say, hey Joel, we really loved that, 182 00:09:25.595 --> 00:09:28.678 you know, project you did with people 183 00:09:29.635 --> 00:09:31.386 recovering from the Bush fires. 184 00:09:31.386 --> 00:09:35.023 You know, we have a not-for-profit or a charity 185 00:09:35.023 --> 00:09:37.826 that we support and we need an image for them as well. 186 00:09:37.826 --> 00:09:41.363 So that's really nice how that can go into that. 187 00:09:41.363 --> 00:09:44.457 But I guess the main thing there is, I guess, 188 00:09:44.457 --> 00:09:47.873 having like values and a bit of a mission statement as well. 189 00:09:47.873 --> 00:09:51.126 And I guess it's a more practical tip is, 190 00:09:51.126 --> 00:09:54.874 sure I was, you know, really persistent, 191 00:09:54.874 --> 00:09:57.957 but I found out that it's not so much 192 00:10:00.909 --> 00:10:05.477 what you choose to show, but what you choose not to show. 193 00:10:05.477 --> 00:10:09.784 So I kind of really wanted to go in a certain direction, 194 00:10:09.784 --> 00:10:12.512 which is still growing and changing, which is awesome, 195 00:10:12.512 --> 00:10:17.045 but there's also a real trap in trying to do everything. 196 00:10:17.045 --> 00:10:20.332 And that's not just in terms of style, 197 00:10:20.332 --> 00:10:24.447 but I'm talking in terms of kind of like subjects 198 00:10:24.447 --> 00:10:27.055 and areas of interest as well. 199 00:10:27.055 --> 00:10:30.294 And at first you may not get as much work, 200 00:10:30.294 --> 00:10:33.075 but then towards the end, when people see you as, 201 00:10:33.075 --> 00:10:35.492 you know, the right photographer for that job, 202 00:10:35.492 --> 00:10:37.084 not purely because of the style, 203 00:10:37.084 --> 00:10:39.814 but because that's your subject matter, 204 00:10:39.814 --> 00:10:42.493 you spend time with those communities, 205 00:10:42.493 --> 00:10:44.482 those sorts of people, and it's something 206 00:10:44.482 --> 00:10:47.094 that you really enjoy doing and doing a good job of, 207 00:10:47.094 --> 00:10:49.011 sometimes as well it's, 208 00:10:51.141 --> 00:10:53.898 yeah, just the whole process in terms of the approach, 209 00:10:53.898 --> 00:10:55.372 and what's really important for me 210 00:10:55.372 --> 00:10:57.085 is how people feel after the job, 211 00:10:57.085 --> 00:10:59.575 how people feel after they're photographed. 212 00:10:59.575 --> 00:11:02.471 And for me, it's really important 213 00:11:02.471 --> 00:11:04.292 that they feel good about that experience, 214 00:11:04.292 --> 00:11:05.868 especially if it's a tough situation 215 00:11:05.868 --> 00:11:08.996 or it's not necessarily a flattering, 216 00:11:08.996 --> 00:11:10.996 kind of glamorous photo. 217 00:11:13.144 --> 00:11:13.977 Yeah. 218 00:11:13.977 --> 00:11:16.358 Hope that kind of helps with a bit of, 219 00:11:16.358 --> 00:11:18.744 a little bit of advice. 220 00:11:18.744 --> 00:11:20.182 'Cause there's a lot of tips you can give, 221 00:11:20.182 --> 00:11:24.169 but I guess that's kind of one which I seem to be 222 00:11:24.169 --> 00:11:27.694 reflecting with and talking about with people. 223 00:11:27.694 --> 00:11:30.571 So like building that integrity and trust as well, 224 00:11:30.571 --> 00:11:31.981 sounds, yeah. 225 00:11:31.981 --> 00:11:32.855 Yeah. 226 00:11:32.855 --> 00:11:34.064 That's a really good way to put it 227 00:11:34.064 --> 00:11:36.473 because even if you're just coming into a community 228 00:11:36.473 --> 00:11:39.034 or meeting someone, you know, 229 00:11:39.034 --> 00:11:42.567 ah, you know, and they're very wary, 230 00:11:42.567 --> 00:11:46.845 and that's fine and they have the right to be so, 231 00:11:46.845 --> 00:11:49.192 but if you can provide them with your website 232 00:11:49.192 --> 00:11:51.521 or your portfolio and they say, oh wow, 233 00:11:51.521 --> 00:11:54.162 you do this sort of work often, 234 00:11:54.162 --> 00:11:57.245 and you know, they can then establish 235 00:11:58.335 --> 00:12:02.552 that your character and the trust process is a lot easier 236 00:12:02.552 --> 00:12:05.262 as opposed to if you had a wide portfolio, 237 00:12:05.262 --> 00:12:08.712 you know, and for instance, if you went into a farm 238 00:12:08.712 --> 00:12:11.649 and you actually did some work 239 00:12:11.649 --> 00:12:15.591 for possibly a fracking company or something, 240 00:12:15.591 --> 00:12:17.882 you know, you might not, you know, depending, 241 00:12:17.882 --> 00:12:21.275 but you might get a few doors slammed in your face 242 00:12:21.275 --> 00:12:22.992 or something like that. 243 00:12:22.992 --> 00:12:25.042 It just, yeah, without, 244 00:12:25.042 --> 00:12:28.541 that's just an example, but yeah. 245 00:12:28.541 --> 00:12:29.590 Yeah. Perfect. 246 00:12:29.590 --> 00:12:33.231 I guess that leads into what do you think 247 00:12:33.231 --> 00:12:36.171 or what does winning the Living Memory prize 248 00:12:36.171 --> 00:12:39.561 mean for you and your photographic career? 249 00:12:39.561 --> 00:12:42.561 I'm still processing it, but it's, 250 00:12:43.591 --> 00:12:44.501 yeah, it's amazing. 251 00:12:44.501 --> 00:12:47.194 It's probably one of the best titles or awards 252 00:12:47.194 --> 00:12:48.694 you can, you know? 253 00:12:50.316 --> 00:12:53.348 A friend of mine was joking around 254 00:12:53.348 --> 00:12:54.491 that's not a photographer, 255 00:12:54.491 --> 00:12:57.802 we do some kind of training together and, you know, 256 00:12:57.802 --> 00:12:59.642 and he said, "you're no longer award nominated, 257 00:12:59.642 --> 00:13:01.337 you're award winning!" 258 00:13:01.337 --> 00:13:02.647 You know, which is quite funny. 259 00:13:02.647 --> 00:13:05.814 So what's been really cool about it is 260 00:13:06.664 --> 00:13:08.651 feeling like a bit of a football team 261 00:13:08.651 --> 00:13:10.946 and actually it's not just my win, 262 00:13:10.946 --> 00:13:12.804 but the win I'm sharing with friends 263 00:13:12.804 --> 00:13:14.655 and people that I've worked with over the years 264 00:13:14.655 --> 00:13:17.842 and that kind of inspiration that encourages them 265 00:13:17.842 --> 00:13:19.892 and then encourages me as well, 266 00:13:19.892 --> 00:13:23.475 which I didn't realise until after winning. 267 00:13:24.864 --> 00:13:28.000 I guess, I didn't know that was a bit of a thing, 268 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.917 but that's just been my experience. 269 00:13:32.102 --> 00:13:35.920 But I guess from a photography point of view, 270 00:13:35.920 --> 00:13:39.003 I really, again, hope that enables me 271 00:13:40.459 --> 00:13:44.459 to take more risks and end up in more situations 272 00:13:46.951 --> 00:13:51.132 where I can create and share more stories that, you know, 273 00:13:51.132 --> 00:13:53.512 may not win the National Portrait Prize again, 274 00:13:53.512 --> 00:13:55.647 but are kind of worthy of that standard. 275 00:13:55.647 --> 00:13:56.592 And not just for my sake, 276 00:13:56.592 --> 00:13:59.374 but for the people that are involved. 277 00:13:59.374 --> 00:14:02.032 Yeah, it's one of the lovely things about the prize 278 00:14:02.032 --> 00:14:04.204 is sort of the friendships you make 279 00:14:04.204 --> 00:14:07.041 and the peer respect within the group of finalists 280 00:14:07.041 --> 00:14:10.012 that continues on over time. 281 00:14:10.012 --> 00:14:10.845 Yeah! 282 00:14:10.845 --> 00:14:11.678 Yeah. 283 00:14:13.178 --> 00:14:15.631 It's interesting what kind of relationships 284 00:14:15.631 --> 00:14:18.867 and like other photographers you kind of link up with 285 00:14:18.867 --> 00:14:22.211 and your styles might be very different, 286 00:14:22.211 --> 00:14:25.309 but there's a couple of people over the years 287 00:14:25.309 --> 00:14:26.672 that I'm now in touch with, 288 00:14:26.672 --> 00:14:31.343 and we send messages when we see each other's works 289 00:14:31.343 --> 00:14:32.832 and ask how you're going, 290 00:14:32.832 --> 00:14:35.002 because I guess photography can feel 291 00:14:35.002 --> 00:14:37.349 like quite a solitary pursuit, 292 00:14:37.349 --> 00:14:42.349 but to have this kind of little motley crew of people, 293 00:14:42.367 --> 00:14:43.999 you know, all trying to do their own thing 294 00:14:43.999 --> 00:14:46.183 and supporting each other and you know, 295 00:14:46.183 --> 00:14:48.282 sometimes just a thumbs up or whatever, 296 00:14:48.282 --> 00:14:50.068 it can make a big difference. 297 00:14:50.068 --> 00:14:50.901 Yeah. 298 00:14:51.839 --> 00:14:54.639 I guess the next question we sort of touched on a little bit 299 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:57.173 and the question is like how have lock downs 300 00:14:57.173 --> 00:14:59.189 and all these like rapid changes, 301 00:14:59.189 --> 00:15:01.376 especially in Australia with the Bush fires 302 00:15:01.376 --> 00:15:03.459 and everything we've been through, 303 00:15:03.459 --> 00:15:05.611 how have they affected your practise 304 00:15:05.611 --> 00:15:08.373 and the way you approach photography? 305 00:15:08.373 --> 00:15:10.483 Yeah, I don't have a clear cut answer for that. 306 00:15:10.483 --> 00:15:12.733 I mean, it's still ongoing. 307 00:15:14.186 --> 00:15:17.269 The effects, but it's kind of really, 308 00:15:18.608 --> 00:15:21.304 in my main personal project at the moment, 309 00:15:21.304 --> 00:15:22.737 I'm doing greetings from Waterloo, 310 00:15:22.737 --> 00:15:25.151 which is focusing on a suburb and the changes 311 00:15:25.151 --> 00:15:29.401 which it's going through due to it being developed. 312 00:15:31.436 --> 00:15:34.292 There's a community there that I've been just doing 313 00:15:34.292 --> 00:15:37.456 some documentary photography and portraits of, 314 00:15:37.456 --> 00:15:39.766 and hopefully I'll be able to release that. 315 00:15:39.766 --> 00:15:40.993 It was already meant to be released, 316 00:15:40.993 --> 00:15:45.159 but it's been pushed back and pushed back and pushed back 317 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.853 because what I was doing is spending time 318 00:15:47.853 --> 00:15:50.634 within the community, within community groups. 319 00:15:50.634 --> 00:15:52.267 So I'd go to straight choirs, 320 00:15:52.267 --> 00:15:55.604 I'd go to morning teas, and things like that, 321 00:15:55.604 --> 00:16:00.061 and I'd meet people and people wanted to participate. 322 00:16:00.061 --> 00:16:02.724 Sometimes I do act as the street photographer 323 00:16:02.724 --> 00:16:05.143 and run into people on the street and get photos, 324 00:16:05.143 --> 00:16:07.574 but during COVID, during this time, 325 00:16:07.574 --> 00:16:09.324 it's a risky business 326 00:16:13.145 --> 00:16:15.078 and you can put yourself 327 00:16:15.078 --> 00:16:18.088 and others at risk unnecessarily, but then, 328 00:16:18.088 --> 00:16:19.992 you know, you still want to go out there 329 00:16:19.992 --> 00:16:22.215 and create, so where do you draw the line in the sand? 330 00:16:22.215 --> 00:16:26.816 But at the moment it's been a real spanner in the works. 331 00:16:26.816 --> 00:16:30.566 So I've had to kind of focus on other things. 332 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.101 I guess, more of the backend, 333 00:16:33.101 --> 00:16:35.687 like making plans and refining projects 334 00:16:35.687 --> 00:16:39.452 and looking at images and learning in that regard 335 00:16:39.452 --> 00:16:41.287 rather than kind of being out in the field. 336 00:16:41.287 --> 00:16:44.204 So, but again, things are changing. 337 00:16:45.207 --> 00:16:46.811 People are getting all vaccinated 338 00:16:46.811 --> 00:16:49.978 and hopefully they will be a return to 339 00:16:54.823 --> 00:16:57.736 more conducive work conditions. 340 00:16:57.736 --> 00:16:58.618 Yeah, for sure. 341 00:16:58.618 --> 00:16:59.945 We feel for artists. I'm feeling it. 342 00:16:59.945 --> 00:17:00.961 I'm really feeling it, yeah. 343 00:17:00.961 --> 00:17:02.011 It's tough. 344 00:17:02.011 --> 00:17:04.235 Yeah, we feel a lot for artists and photographers. 345 00:17:04.235 --> 00:17:08.308 Yeah, I mean, and entertainers, all sort of artists, 346 00:17:08.308 --> 00:17:11.408 that's a really tough time at the moment. 347 00:17:11.408 --> 00:17:14.088 Next one's a one that's an interesting one 348 00:17:14.088 --> 00:17:17.201 that we always get questions on social media is about, 349 00:17:17.201 --> 00:17:20.332 you know, tech questions. like what kind of camera 350 00:17:20.332 --> 00:17:21.368 did he use? 351 00:17:21.368 --> 00:17:23.870 You know, the award winning secrets. 352 00:17:23.870 --> 00:17:26.548 So the question is, can you tell us about 353 00:17:26.548 --> 00:17:28.070 your selected equipment 354 00:17:28.070 --> 00:17:30.590 and the style of photography you prefer? 355 00:17:30.590 --> 00:17:32.411 And is there any secret tips you have 356 00:17:32.411 --> 00:17:34.613 to help all the cool kids out there? 357 00:17:34.613 --> 00:17:35.446 Sure. 358 00:17:37.463 --> 00:17:38.296 Gee. 359 00:17:40.783 --> 00:17:44.450 Very little on the technical front, I think. 360 00:17:46.758 --> 00:17:48.451 Well, I use, I'll start with what I use. 361 00:17:48.451 --> 00:17:51.691 I use a Canon EOS, for that image, 362 00:17:51.691 --> 00:17:56.441 I used a Canon EOS R and I used a 28 to 70 mil zoom lens, 363 00:17:59.391 --> 00:18:00.391 which is F2. 364 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.690 It's an awesome work horse. 365 00:18:04.851 --> 00:18:06.422 It costs me an arm and a leg, 366 00:18:06.422 --> 00:18:08.609 but it's one of those lenses that I'll buy and use 367 00:18:08.609 --> 00:18:10.207 for 10 years. 368 00:18:10.207 --> 00:18:12.624 I like that it's a zoom lens, 369 00:18:13.760 --> 00:18:16.994 even though I like to hang around like a 50 mil, 370 00:18:16.994 --> 00:18:19.244 sometimes I go a bit wider, 371 00:18:20.890 --> 00:18:25.166 like I think that one was shot at about, oh, gee. 372 00:18:25.166 --> 00:18:26.761 I can't even remember off the top of my head, 373 00:18:26.761 --> 00:18:28.824 but I feel like it was a little bit wider. 374 00:18:28.824 --> 00:18:30.625 It was a little bit up over the top 375 00:18:30.625 --> 00:18:34.277 to give it like a real kind of observational, 376 00:18:34.277 --> 00:18:36.452 almost foyer kind of feel. 377 00:18:36.452 --> 00:18:37.772 But I like the zoom lens because, 378 00:18:37.772 --> 00:18:40.374 and a high quality zoom lens like that 379 00:18:40.374 --> 00:18:44.224 so I'm not really affected too much in low light conditions, 380 00:18:44.224 --> 00:18:46.954 'cause I like to shoot in dusk and dawn light 381 00:18:46.954 --> 00:18:48.741 or, you know, window lit rooms, 382 00:18:48.741 --> 00:18:50.839 and I love having lots of detail in the shadows, 383 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.325 which can get lost, 384 00:18:52.325 --> 00:18:55.770 but having that zoom lens enables me 385 00:18:55.770 --> 00:18:57.314 to really change on the fly, 386 00:18:57.314 --> 00:18:59.185 like walking an environment, you know, 387 00:18:59.185 --> 00:19:01.514 'cause I like working with kind of real people, 388 00:19:01.514 --> 00:19:03.002 you know, whether they're like farmers 389 00:19:03.002 --> 00:19:06.292 or, you know, people down in the community in Redfern, 390 00:19:06.292 --> 00:19:09.825 you don't know what kind of situation you're walking into. 391 00:19:09.825 --> 00:19:14.199 So having a lens where you can change wide zoom 392 00:19:14.199 --> 00:19:17.055 or zoom to kind of either change your framing 393 00:19:17.055 --> 00:19:20.310 to what's, you know, preferred at the time 394 00:19:20.310 --> 00:19:23.727 that's a real key factor for my workflow. 395 00:19:27.391 --> 00:19:30.447 I am pretty well versed in flash and flash photography, 396 00:19:30.447 --> 00:19:34.885 but I try to, I really, really try to avoid it 397 00:19:34.885 --> 00:19:37.512 because I feel like it slows down my process quite a lot. 398 00:19:37.512 --> 00:19:39.471 And a flash can be pretty intimidating 399 00:19:39.471 --> 00:19:42.132 for someone that's not used to being photographed. 400 00:19:42.132 --> 00:19:43.495 So I really like to pay attention 401 00:19:43.495 --> 00:19:45.772 to what is happening in the environment. 402 00:19:45.772 --> 00:19:48.815 So I guess the main thing is the connection with the subject 403 00:19:48.815 --> 00:19:51.365 and then based around that is kind of 404 00:19:51.365 --> 00:19:52.949 what's the light doing, 405 00:19:52.949 --> 00:19:54.535 and then I would go to composition 406 00:19:54.535 --> 00:19:59.535 and if you can kind of get all of those three, yeah. 407 00:19:59.573 --> 00:20:01.490 It's a real sweet spot, 408 00:20:02.760 --> 00:20:05.574 but some of my favourite images don't have all three of those 409 00:20:05.574 --> 00:20:07.531 going for them as well. 410 00:20:07.531 --> 00:20:09.144 And I think something that's really understated 411 00:20:09.144 --> 00:20:12.061 that I think I subconsciously feel, 412 00:20:14.343 --> 00:20:17.401 but I'm not too good at articulating or explaining 413 00:20:17.401 --> 00:20:18.234 is colour. 414 00:20:19.154 --> 00:20:21.778 I've really liked to use colour over the years, 415 00:20:21.778 --> 00:20:24.599 and I've found when I actually kind of look at my images 416 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:28.800 and I guess study them and why they work so well, 417 00:20:28.800 --> 00:20:31.861 they feel a certain way is by looking at the colour wheel, 418 00:20:31.861 --> 00:20:33.280 you know, real basic like, 419 00:20:33.280 --> 00:20:34.694 oh, that's kind of complimenting that 420 00:20:34.694 --> 00:20:37.101 or its monologues or, you know, 421 00:20:37.101 --> 00:20:38.925 so it's kind of real like take me back 422 00:20:38.925 --> 00:20:41.619 to high school art theory, but I think 423 00:20:41.619 --> 00:20:44.202 colour can be a bit understated, 424 00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:48.003 but I, yeah, so those are four. 425 00:20:49.330 --> 00:20:50.219 Perfect. 426 00:20:50.219 --> 00:20:51.150 That's awesome. 427 00:20:51.150 --> 00:20:54.127 So the next questions are a little bit easier. 428 00:20:54.127 --> 00:20:55.349 They're not as cerebral. 429 00:20:55.349 --> 00:20:59.251 So the first one is photographers or artists in general 430 00:20:59.251 --> 00:21:02.611 that inspire you or that you look up to. 431 00:21:02.611 --> 00:21:03.444 Ooh. 432 00:21:04.357 --> 00:21:05.857 Could be anyone. 433 00:21:12.075 --> 00:21:15.763 I can't remember their name off the top of my head, 434 00:21:15.763 --> 00:21:20.763 but I watched a really, a really good documentary movie. 435 00:21:20.948 --> 00:21:24.228 I should know their name, I watched "Nomadland." 436 00:21:24.228 --> 00:21:26.177 I'm not sure if you've seen that, 437 00:21:26.177 --> 00:21:27.857 but the director told a story 438 00:21:27.857 --> 00:21:31.004 and was using kind of real everyday people they found. 439 00:21:31.004 --> 00:21:34.587 And it was just a really, really beautiful, 440 00:21:35.697 --> 00:21:37.881 a really beautiful movie. 441 00:21:37.881 --> 00:21:41.470 And I guess maybe that's where I'm getting pulled 442 00:21:41.470 --> 00:21:42.697 in the direction of next, 443 00:21:42.697 --> 00:21:45.847 but in terms of like a more, more classic 444 00:21:45.847 --> 00:21:48.014 kind of like photographer, 445 00:21:49.398 --> 00:21:52.441 there's a lady called Lauren Greenfield 446 00:21:52.441 --> 00:21:54.567 and she did a fantastic book 447 00:21:54.567 --> 00:21:58.067 which has been a recurring kind of thing through her life 448 00:21:58.067 --> 00:22:00.415 and it's called "Generation Wealth." 449 00:22:00.415 --> 00:22:04.057 If there's kind of one book I recommend to people 450 00:22:04.057 --> 00:22:06.697 that kind of reflects society 451 00:22:06.697 --> 00:22:09.147 and has like really cool photography 452 00:22:09.147 --> 00:22:11.298 and it's just kind of risky, 453 00:22:11.298 --> 00:22:13.837 you know, she's out there in these situations as well. 454 00:22:13.837 --> 00:22:15.550 I like photographers who take risks 455 00:22:15.550 --> 00:22:17.924 and are really kinda out there. 456 00:22:17.924 --> 00:22:18.802 Yeah. 457 00:22:18.802 --> 00:22:19.817 That's pretty cool. 458 00:22:19.817 --> 00:22:23.337 And then for third one, I guess Sebastiao Salgado 459 00:22:23.337 --> 00:22:24.670 who's just epic. 460 00:22:25.573 --> 00:22:27.234 He's got heaps of books. 461 00:22:27.234 --> 00:22:31.575 He's reinvented himself a couple of times and yeah. 462 00:22:31.575 --> 00:22:32.592 Yeah. 463 00:22:32.592 --> 00:22:36.281 And black and white, not colour, which is really cool. 464 00:22:36.281 --> 00:22:37.160 Awesome. 465 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:38.419 So another one is, 466 00:22:38.419 --> 00:22:41.694 can you remember the first photo you ever took. 467 00:22:41.694 --> 00:22:44.174 The first photo that you're aware of, 468 00:22:44.174 --> 00:22:47.464 like that connection of like, oh, I'm taking a photo. 469 00:22:47.464 --> 00:22:48.373 Yeah. 470 00:22:48.373 --> 00:22:50.878 Strangely, because it gets brought up 471 00:22:50.878 --> 00:22:53.461 all the time by my grandmother. 472 00:22:54.360 --> 00:22:57.372 So I, you know, I do a lot of photography now, 473 00:22:57.372 --> 00:22:59.994 but we were, I was four years old 474 00:22:59.994 --> 00:23:02.132 and it was down in Tasmania 475 00:23:02.132 --> 00:23:05.326 and went on like a little family holiday. 476 00:23:05.326 --> 00:23:08.576 It was just my nan, my mom, and myself. 477 00:23:09.969 --> 00:23:13.204 And I took a portrait of mum and nan 478 00:23:13.204 --> 00:23:15.743 and I'm not sure where it is, 479 00:23:15.743 --> 00:23:18.160 but I've got it tucked away somewhere. 480 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:21.479 That was strangely the first photo. 481 00:23:21.479 --> 00:23:22.584 Yeah. 482 00:23:22.584 --> 00:23:23.511 That's awesome. 483 00:23:23.511 --> 00:23:26.434 So and they're still subjects today for you. 484 00:23:26.434 --> 00:23:27.267 Yeah. 485 00:23:27.267 --> 00:23:28.430 Inspirations for you. 486 00:23:28.430 --> 00:23:29.304 Yeah, funnily enough. 487 00:23:29.304 --> 00:23:30.880 I really gotta dig up that image actually 488 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:34.050 and probably scan it and make sure it doesn't get lost. 489 00:23:34.050 --> 00:23:37.484 Yeah, I was interested if you could remember 490 00:23:37.484 --> 00:23:41.091 that first photo you ever took, so that's a nice memory. 491 00:23:41.091 --> 00:23:41.964 There's a big gap. 492 00:23:41.964 --> 00:23:44.642 There's that image, and then I think fast forward 493 00:23:44.642 --> 00:23:47.519 to when I was eight years old 494 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.566 and I won a Nickelodeon competition 495 00:23:49.566 --> 00:23:51.841 and I got a camera and I went and photographed 496 00:23:51.841 --> 00:23:54.628 my friend's soccer practise. 497 00:23:54.628 --> 00:23:59.072 It's a big gap, but those are the two that come to mind. 498 00:23:59.072 --> 00:24:01.684 It was your destiny to be a photographer, eh? 499 00:24:01.684 --> 00:24:02.929 By the sounds of it? 500 00:24:02.929 --> 00:24:03.803 Maybe. 501 00:24:03.803 --> 00:24:05.178 It's the only thing I'm good at. 502 00:24:05.178 --> 00:24:06.011 Yeah. 503 00:24:07.136 --> 00:24:11.157 Can't say much for my other pursuits. 504 00:24:11.157 --> 00:24:11.990 All right. 505 00:24:11.990 --> 00:24:13.180 So next one's easy. 506 00:24:13.180 --> 00:24:14.424 Well somewhat easy. 507 00:24:14.424 --> 00:24:17.957 Might be hard for you is dream subject or subjects. 508 00:24:17.957 --> 00:24:19.324 You can pick a few if you want, 509 00:24:19.324 --> 00:24:22.991 if you could photograph anyone in the world. 510 00:24:24.070 --> 00:24:27.409 Well, that's an interesting one. 511 00:24:27.409 --> 00:24:30.760 I kind of changed my mind in a sense where 512 00:24:30.760 --> 00:24:34.943 kind of current affairs or news or things 513 00:24:34.943 --> 00:24:37.693 really kind of take my attention. 514 00:24:39.750 --> 00:24:41.401 It's like, wow, I'd love it if I could just, you know, 515 00:24:41.401 --> 00:24:44.151 boom, few weeks, few weeks there. 516 00:24:45.114 --> 00:24:48.894 I guess it kind of suits my attention and workflow. 517 00:24:48.894 --> 00:24:51.477 I'm trying to think what group. 518 00:24:54.658 --> 00:24:56.194 I mean, it's a really tricky one. 519 00:24:56.194 --> 00:24:58.730 I kind of really enjoy what I'm doing at the moment. 520 00:24:58.730 --> 00:25:00.077 I know it sounds a bit tacky, 521 00:25:00.077 --> 00:25:02.494 but just down at Waterloo, 522 00:25:02.494 --> 00:25:06.583 'cause a dream subject kind of has like, 523 00:25:06.583 --> 00:25:11.067 I guess a fame or a celebrity attached to it, 524 00:25:11.067 --> 00:25:15.472 when the sort of people I look for aren't that at all. 525 00:25:15.472 --> 00:25:17.407 And maybe they've missed the boat kind of thing, 526 00:25:17.407 --> 00:25:19.098 but often not. 527 00:25:19.098 --> 00:25:23.164 Often, they kind of have chosen a more, 528 00:25:23.164 --> 00:25:26.172 a less infamous life, I guess. 529 00:25:26.172 --> 00:25:27.815 That's a good question. 530 00:25:27.815 --> 00:25:31.566 It's a really, really good question. 531 00:25:31.566 --> 00:25:34.189 Maybe it's just your next subject, hey? 532 00:25:34.189 --> 00:25:36.102 All of them are dream subjects really 533 00:25:36.102 --> 00:25:37.742 when it comes down to it. Yeah. 534 00:25:37.742 --> 00:25:38.575 Yeah. 535 00:25:38.575 --> 00:25:41.845 That's a really cool, I mean, I really like, 536 00:25:41.845 --> 00:25:43.001 and I want to go do this again, 537 00:25:43.001 --> 00:25:47.251 is I was taking a series on holy men and holy women 538 00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:52.539 when I was younger. 539 00:25:52.539 --> 00:25:56.776 I was just backpacking around taking photos of, 540 00:25:56.776 --> 00:26:00.818 you know, people in the Ganges, I went to Japan, 541 00:26:00.818 --> 00:26:04.976 went to a mountain, White Horse Mountain, 542 00:26:04.976 --> 00:26:09.476 outside of Wuhan before it was popular or on the news. 543 00:26:12.002 --> 00:26:14.207 And I took a bunch of terrible photos, 544 00:26:14.207 --> 00:26:17.114 but I learned a lot in that process 545 00:26:17.114 --> 00:26:19.895 and I'd love to, I guess, you know, 546 00:26:19.895 --> 00:26:23.062 like semi-retired age kind of go there 547 00:26:24.968 --> 00:26:27.000 and just kind of spend, 548 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.672 what I liked about that project is 549 00:26:28.672 --> 00:26:31.174 I was just kind of living very meekly, you know, 550 00:26:31.174 --> 00:26:34.512 very cheap hotel, very basic food and accommodation, 551 00:26:34.512 --> 00:26:37.436 and I'd go out at dawn, photograph, come back, 552 00:26:37.436 --> 00:26:40.466 look at photos, nap, go out in the afternoon, 553 00:26:40.466 --> 00:26:43.404 you know, photograph, come back. 554 00:26:43.404 --> 00:26:45.435 It was just, yeah, it was really cool. 555 00:26:45.435 --> 00:26:48.954 I guess I'd love to revisit that later in life 556 00:26:48.954 --> 00:26:51.454 when I've a different mindset. 557 00:26:53.033 --> 00:26:54.904 I feel like it's a really cool project 558 00:26:54.904 --> 00:26:58.874 to come back to maybe when I'm in my twilight years. 559 00:26:58.874 --> 00:27:00.066 Yeah, I identify with that. 560 00:27:00.066 --> 00:27:02.726 It's sorta like when I go on trainings in Thailand, 561 00:27:02.726 --> 00:27:05.970 you know, you're out in the middle of nowhere, 562 00:27:05.970 --> 00:27:08.816 you know, really basic accommodation and food, 563 00:27:08.816 --> 00:27:10.654 get us training twice a day, sleeping, 564 00:27:10.654 --> 00:27:13.254 and just dedicated to that one purpose, 565 00:27:13.254 --> 00:27:16.374 and that's sometimes the happiest I've ever been. 566 00:27:16.374 --> 00:27:17.248 Yeah! 567 00:27:17.248 --> 00:27:18.144 Yeah, yeah. 568 00:27:18.144 --> 00:27:19.034 Definitely yeah. 569 00:27:19.034 --> 00:27:22.093 Whatever it is I need to be immersed. 570 00:27:22.093 --> 00:27:24.282 Very immersed, no phone, you know? 571 00:27:24.282 --> 00:27:25.672 Yeah, yeah. 572 00:27:25.672 --> 00:27:27.716 It's a nice life to live. 573 00:27:27.716 --> 00:27:29.288 So we're getting towards the end. 574 00:27:29.288 --> 00:27:31.337 So, and you can take your time with this one, 575 00:27:31.337 --> 00:27:33.432 is any shout outs or thank yous 576 00:27:33.432 --> 00:27:36.216 you want to pass on to anyone out there? 577 00:27:36.216 --> 00:27:37.357 Yeah. 578 00:27:37.357 --> 00:27:39.824 I have them written down here as well. 579 00:27:39.824 --> 00:27:44.157 I think I mentioned them earlier, but gee, goodness. 580 00:27:46.506 --> 00:27:47.503 Okay. 581 00:27:47.503 --> 00:27:51.003 I guess I'll just start off the top there. 582 00:27:54.250 --> 00:27:56.029 Where are we? 583 00:27:56.029 --> 00:27:56.862 Please hold. 584 00:27:56.862 --> 00:27:59.529 I got a lot of scrambling notes. 585 00:28:02.514 --> 00:28:05.609 Yeah, so definitely the farmers that had us there, 586 00:28:05.609 --> 00:28:07.535 which were the Kalishes, 587 00:28:07.535 --> 00:28:11.839 and then there was also Rhonda, Tony, and Mark as well. 588 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.089 We went to two other farms. 589 00:28:15.533 --> 00:28:18.950 So there was the team at BPAY, which was, 590 00:28:22.047 --> 00:28:23.738 where is it? 591 00:28:23.738 --> 00:28:26.085 Dom, Brit, and Sarah. 592 00:28:26.085 --> 00:28:30.528 There was Slater at Sun Studios that printed it, 593 00:28:30.528 --> 00:28:32.680 she did an awesome job with the photo. 594 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.513 There was Esil Salair and Doug Hamilton at BMF 595 00:28:38.858 --> 00:28:41.868 who got us involved, and there's Rural Aid, 596 00:28:41.868 --> 00:28:43.589 I didn't have a direct contact with Rural Aid, 597 00:28:43.589 --> 00:28:45.365 but I definitely want to thank them, 598 00:28:45.365 --> 00:28:50.147 and I've been donating some print sales proceeds 599 00:28:50.147 --> 00:28:53.068 towards them, so we raised three grand so far, 600 00:28:53.068 --> 00:28:54.235 which is cool. 601 00:28:55.602 --> 00:28:58.830 Of course there was Kara Barkley who was directing 602 00:28:58.830 --> 00:29:03.080 and Campbell Brown who's the DOP in the commercial. 603 00:29:04.407 --> 00:29:05.425 Goodness. 604 00:29:05.425 --> 00:29:09.758 I mean, outside of that, there's a bunch of mentors, 605 00:29:11.990 --> 00:29:15.944 but yeah, even, you know the very simple one too, of like, 606 00:29:15.944 --> 00:29:18.567 you know, my grandmother for being my biggest fan 607 00:29:18.567 --> 00:29:22.067 and mom for always encouraging me as well. 608 00:29:24.115 --> 00:29:25.044 Yeah. 609 00:29:25.044 --> 00:29:27.685 And of course the National Portrait Gallery 610 00:29:27.685 --> 00:29:31.148 for the commitment they've had to putting this on 611 00:29:31.148 --> 00:29:34.144 for so long that it's become what it is now 612 00:29:34.144 --> 00:29:37.657 and has that kind of importance, you know, 613 00:29:37.657 --> 00:29:40.024 amongst the, not just the photography community, 614 00:29:40.024 --> 00:29:43.048 but the Australian community as well, 615 00:29:43.048 --> 00:29:47.234 and hopefully a bit of international community as well. 616 00:29:47.234 --> 00:29:48.947 Yeah, which is cool. 617 00:29:48.947 --> 00:29:51.713 But yeah, I guess I think I'll just keep it short. 618 00:29:51.713 --> 00:29:54.864 There's lots of mentors and I chatted with them 619 00:29:54.864 --> 00:29:56.978 at lengths over the phone since that, 620 00:29:56.978 --> 00:29:59.848 but they very much know who they are, 621 00:29:59.848 --> 00:30:04.697 but yeah, so a big, special thanks to them in general, 622 00:30:04.697 --> 00:30:07.464 as I wouldn't be the sort of person I was 623 00:30:07.464 --> 00:30:10.753 if it wasn't for really good teachers along the way 624 00:30:10.753 --> 00:30:15.003 that helped me and presented the information for me 625 00:30:16.719 --> 00:30:18.254 in a way that I could make the right decisions 626 00:30:18.254 --> 00:30:20.782 when those kinds of tricky forks in the roads happen 627 00:30:20.782 --> 00:30:21.949 and, you know. 628 00:30:23.335 --> 00:30:24.333 Perfect. 629 00:30:24.333 --> 00:30:25.207 Perfect. 630 00:30:25.207 --> 00:30:26.464 All right, last one. 631 00:30:26.464 --> 00:30:29.598 Is there any, well, this is like Joe Bradley's 632 00:30:29.598 --> 00:30:31.598 parting words of wisdom. 633 00:30:33.710 --> 00:30:36.547 Parting words of wisdom. 634 00:30:36.547 --> 00:30:38.437 I guess it comes back to what I was saying before, 635 00:30:38.437 --> 00:30:42.104 like persistence is one thing, but you know, 636 00:30:43.169 --> 00:30:45.502 taking risks and being aware 637 00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:51.347 and I guess taking risks in regard to, 638 00:30:52.273 --> 00:30:54.532 you know, you might have a lot of doubts, 639 00:30:54.532 --> 00:30:57.158 you might not have much financial backing, 640 00:30:57.158 --> 00:30:59.137 it might be a project that really doesn't make sense 641 00:30:59.137 --> 00:31:02.719 to too many other people except yourself at the time, 642 00:31:02.719 --> 00:31:04.664 and you just have to persist 643 00:31:04.664 --> 00:31:06.185 and follow through with these things. 644 00:31:06.185 --> 00:31:08.321 Even if at the time it's not a great idea, 645 00:31:08.321 --> 00:31:11.176 I find that when I'm working and doing the process, 646 00:31:11.176 --> 00:31:14.726 it leads to better ideas than I could've ever imagined. 647 00:31:14.726 --> 00:31:17.246 And then that way I don't project, you know, 648 00:31:17.246 --> 00:31:19.033 this preconceived idea onto something. 649 00:31:19.033 --> 00:31:20.115 I just have a rough idea, 650 00:31:20.115 --> 00:31:21.607 and then when I'm photographing it, 651 00:31:21.607 --> 00:31:23.978 I'm kind of processing stuff, 652 00:31:23.978 --> 00:31:26.978 and then hopefully that leads back into 653 00:31:26.978 --> 00:31:29.351 what I'm photographing and whatever it is, 654 00:31:29.351 --> 00:31:31.907 it takes on a deeper meaning 655 00:31:31.907 --> 00:31:35.324 and yeah, more authentic meaning as well. 656 00:31:36.358 --> 00:31:39.358 So I guess that's my parting wisdom. 657 00:31:41.239 --> 00:31:42.219 Oh, and the awareness too. 658 00:31:42.219 --> 00:31:43.110 Sorry. 659 00:31:43.110 --> 00:31:46.386 So yeah, just being aware as well and making sure 660 00:31:46.386 --> 00:31:49.197 you seize those moments because I feel like in the past, 661 00:31:49.197 --> 00:31:50.516 there's a lot of moments I've missed 662 00:31:50.516 --> 00:31:52.251 because I've had this idea 663 00:31:52.251 --> 00:31:55.976 and I haven't taken on any feedback. 664 00:31:55.976 --> 00:31:57.535 I'm just going to get something 665 00:31:57.535 --> 00:31:59.070 and it hasn't worked out 666 00:31:59.070 --> 00:32:01.100 when other times a really good portrait 667 00:32:01.100 --> 00:32:03.130 or a story might just present itself 668 00:32:03.130 --> 00:32:04.708 or play out in front of you 669 00:32:04.708 --> 00:32:07.086 and that's when you can get a really good image 670 00:32:07.086 --> 00:32:09.766 that is better than you could have imagined 671 00:32:09.766 --> 00:32:13.700 that shows it in its kind of best light 672 00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:15.820 and has a good outreach to people 673 00:32:15.820 --> 00:32:17.903 with its message as well. 674 00:32:19.062 --> 00:32:19.895 Yeah. 675 00:32:21.069 --> 00:32:22.978 So being present, right? 676 00:32:22.978 --> 00:32:24.059 Yes, yes. 677 00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:27.309 Being present and yeah, making mistakes 678 00:32:30.419 --> 00:32:33.879 and just taking on information in the environment, 679 00:32:33.879 --> 00:32:35.890 like just, yeah, like being aware, 680 00:32:35.890 --> 00:32:38.933 taking it on, changing your approach 681 00:32:38.933 --> 00:32:42.933 or the direction of the story is very important.