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Hello friends.
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Welcome to everyone streaming through
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our Zoom doors this afternoon.
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My name is Jill.
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I'm lucky enough to work with the digital and access teams
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here at the National Portrait Gallery,
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except that we're not at the National Portrait Gallery.
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Like so many of you at the moment,
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we are all in lockdown.
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And so we're spread out around Canberra
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in our living rooms and bedrooms.
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Canberra and the South Coast actually,
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bringing this broadcast to you this afternoon.
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My home is on the beautiful lands
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of the Ngambri and Ngunnawal peoples.
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And I'd like to pay my respects to their elders past,
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present and emerging.
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And I'd also like to extend that same respect
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to any of the traditional owners
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from the lands on which you're coming to us from today.
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For those of you who have not joined
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a National Portrait Gallery virtual programme before,
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we love interactivity,
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we'd love to hear your comments and questions.
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And this particular programme that we're bringing in today
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is especially interactive
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but we'll get to that shortly.
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If you'd like to practise using the chat function
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along the bottom part of the zoom you can enter,
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maybe let us know you're coming from,
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the traditional lands
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on which you're broadcasting from today.
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Say, hello.
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We also love faces,
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which is not really surprising
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given that we're a portrait gallery.
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So if you feel comfortable,
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it would be really delightful
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if you could leave your cameras on today
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so we can see all the happy faces out there.
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For our regulars
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who come along to our virtual highlights
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to us every Tuesday,
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and I see you there Nita,
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one of our wonderful regulars who comes along
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every single week and has done for over a year now.
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You may be thinking we've caught
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a little bit of lockdown itis,
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and have forgotten what day it was,
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but we're actually now starting a brand new series
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at this time every Thursday.
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And we've decided is a really fantastic opportunity
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to allow more audiences to access our content,
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but also to introduce you to a few new faces
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who you may not have seen before on our virtual programmes.
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We're also making it slightly longer.
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We've had a little bit of feedback from people
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in the virtual highlights that was on Tuesday
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that you just you'd love a little bit more time with us.
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Thank you, we really liked to hear that feedback.
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So we've invited some of our other staff
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at the National Portrait Gallery
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to put up their hands and we've been busily
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sending round green bits of fabric
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to all different houses
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and living rooms and bedrooms around Canberra.
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I think Spotlight is gonna be running a little bit short on
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apple poplin at the moment because we're all
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standing in front of our green screens.
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And we've had an amazing response from our staff who
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a few of them who are brand new to this mode of presenting.
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But then there's a few,
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I was gonna say old hats,
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but that sounds a little bit rude
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so maybe we'll just say experienced presenters
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who have also put up their hand.
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And one particularly stylish hat
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who's gonna join us today
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is our curator of exhibitions, Penny Grist?
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Hello, hello everyone.
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Thank you so much, Jill.
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So I'm here in front of my green screen.
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Should we explain how this is gonna work?
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Do you want to do that or will I?
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No, you tell us the adventure you are about
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to take us on.
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So, thank you everyone for joining me
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to take me through an adventure through
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the National Portrait Gallery collection.
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So this is a programme where you choose the story,
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you choose where we're gonna go.
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We're gonna explore four portraits,
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but you're gonna tell me
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which portraits they are
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except for the one we start with.
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So we're gonna jump in with Richard Roxburgh.
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So I'm just closing my screen so I can see
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if I've got the slide up, there we go.
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This is all a little bit experimental at this moment.
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So what we are gonna do,
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I'm gonna tell you a little bit about the portrait
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that we're focusing on,
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and then you're gonna vote on two portraits
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to carry the story on words.
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So let's see how this goes.
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And I think Richard Roxburgh is a beautiful starting point.
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Let's invite him into my study here.
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Can you invite him into my study too please, Penny?
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(Penny chuckles)
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Here he is.
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So this is a beautiful portrait by Jim Pozark
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who is an experienced long standing photographer
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for magazines all around the world.
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And what I particularly love about this portrait
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is how pared back it is.
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There's so many, it really captures the,
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that sense in a screen actor where
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subtle detail, subtle changes in the face
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say so much on screen.
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And of course, Richard Roxbury is one of our
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extraordinary Australian actors
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both on stage and on screen.
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And I particularly love the tones in this,
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how the really dark blue tie
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and the black shirt kind of fade into that
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really pared back background
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which highlights the colour of his eyes
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and that slight tilt of the head.
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I really enjoy portraiture where
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it's all the elements that are only just needed.
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Now, Richard Roxburgh,
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let's position him in time in this portrait.
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So this portrait was taken in 2008.
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So it's interesting to think of Richard Roxburgh
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before "Rake".
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So "Rake" was about two years away,
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if you're a "Rake" fan.
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He'd already in the 1990s,
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been in "Moulin Rouge" and "Mission Impossible"
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and a heap of Australian TV.
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And he was yet to start writing his children's book
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"Artie and Grime Wave".
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So it's definitely a, it's a beautiful portrait.
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If you in the chat,
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I would love it if you share your favourite
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Richard Roxburgh performance or moment.
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Mine is definitely seeing
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him and Kate Blanchett performing live
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at the Sydney Theatre Company
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at the Sydney opera house in "The Present".
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That's an experience I'll never forget.
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And a shout out to anyone who is
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working in the performing arts at the moment.
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It's a tough time and I can't wait, personally,
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to get back to the theatre
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and have more experiences like that.
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Sodul and Hector,
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I think this is the moment
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where we experiment with our first choice.
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So let's see where the story might go from Richard Roxburgh.
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So two people who are connected to Richard
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are up on your screen.
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So we've got Fred Gruen and Tim Winton.
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So Fred Gruen of course, acclaimed
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important Australian economist
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and Tim Winton, extraordinary Australian writer.
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So what possible connection
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could these two individuals have?
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Jill, have we got any favourite
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or are people too busy voting?
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Oh, we haven't started the voting yet.
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I'll open the voting in just a second.
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So for the people so that they know,
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we're just about to launch a poll,
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which will appear on your screen
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and you'll be able to click on either Fred or Tim
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and the story will continue.
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But Cassidy has said that,
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that they saw a Richard Roxburgh present
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as a performance as a high school drama student
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and is waiting for "Rake"
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with lots of exclamation marks.
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So I think Richard is definitely a fan,
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but should we get into the choices,
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should I launch this poll?
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Launch the poll.
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Okay, here we go, launching away.
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(Penny laughs)
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Thanks so much
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for coming on this journey with us, everyone.
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Well, leading this journey.
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I mean, you might want to speculate in the chat
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if you've already voted,
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what possible connection these people could have?
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An economist and a writer.
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The writer, you can probably guess that, but the economist,
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how could he connect to an Australian actor?
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Have a guess, but remember we're only exploring one path.
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So this is a very important choice
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you're making in this poll.
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How's it going, Jill?
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Oh, the votes are flooding in.
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Oh my goodness,
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we'll just give people a couple more seconds to
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cast their votes, I think we're just about done.
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Whoa, it keeps changing. (laughs)
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Okay, and in 5, 4, 3, 1 ending poll.
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And let's share the results.
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A lead of nearly just over 10%,
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our popular team Winton
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is the path we are going to follow.
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Grab Tim Winton, I mean,
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I'm gonna join Tim Winton on the beach here.
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Oh, lovely.
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(Penny laughs)
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So Tim Winton, extraordinary Australian novelist,
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29 books, I'm not gonna name them all.
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Please share your favourite Tim Winton
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work of fiction or nonfiction in the chat.
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And I particularly want to talk about this.
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We've put a few portraits of Tim Winton in the collection,
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but this one has a...
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encounter or portrait of Tim Winton has a story.
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That particular story that this one has,
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so it's by Quentin Jones who was a photographer
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sent by the "Good Weekend" to go and
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interview and document Tim Winton at his,
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in Western Australia.
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And they had a bit of a walk around the town of Albany,
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where Tim Winton spent three years growing up.
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And that had such a massive influence on his writing
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and the settings of many of his books.
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And they were walking around all day
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and the weather was absolutely rubbish.
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And Quentin had pretty much given up on getting a good shot.
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And then they were walking along this beach.
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I think it's Cheynes beach,
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here on Mineng land in Albany
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and the sun just cleared,
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the sky cleared, the sun came out
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and got this beautiful shadow.
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The other thing I love about this is that
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since in portrait photography,
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where often a photographer doesn't know what they've got
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till they get back and look at all the images
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and Quentin said he didn't know
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initially until he got back to Sydney,
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that he'd managed to capture this wave breaking
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just as he got this particular shot,
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something I particularly love.
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I also wanted to share with you, (laughs)
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a lovely quote I found from
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interview with Margaret's Roseby on the ABC
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that Tim Winton did last year.
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And he said,
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I think she must've been asking him the question around,
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you know, do you mind being by yourself in
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as this lockdowns around Australia.
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But what he said in this interview was
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I do like my own company,
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even though I don't approve of myself,
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but at least I'm the devil I know.
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I think that's a really comforting thought
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for anyone that's home
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with the devils they know, themselves.
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So I'm just interested, Jill,
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are there any favourite Tim Winton
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works that are coming up in the chat.
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"Cloudstreet",
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"Cloudstreet" is winning by a mile at the moment,
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but there's a lot of different ones coming through.
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Breathe, "Breath", Breathe
"Breath", yeah.
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"Breath", "The Shepherd's Hut", "Dirt Music".
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Oh, the children's book, "The Deep"
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is one that's come up, that's nice to see.
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Yeah, that's great.
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I think I was very early in my time
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in museums I was working at the library and got to
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hold the manuscript of "Cloudstreet".
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It's one of those moments in my time
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that I will always remember.
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There's something particularly special about that,
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holding the manuscript or of a book
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you've particularly loved so.
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We've got another portrait of Tim Winton
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in the national portrait gallery collection as well
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that was done by Sally Robinson.
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And I remember interviewing Sally
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and she had a very similar story that
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Tim Winton, you know, she was told by his agent,
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forget it, you're never gonna be able to paint Tim Winton,
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he just doesn't like being photographed
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and he doesn't like being painted.
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So it sounds like,
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he's certainly a character that likes his own
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well, likes to be alone, maybe.
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Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
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And in a way that's captured in this particular portrait,
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you've got that lovely like hands in pockets,
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kind of almost like unease,
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but his feet are so planted on that sand too,
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which is that lovely, you know,
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there's a lot of resonance to both his life and his work.
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Should we say where Tim Winton story takes us?
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Is it time to move on to our next choice, people?
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All right, Hector, bring up the next choices.
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Okay, there we go.
We have two politicians.
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So this is another one where in the chat,
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if you finished sharing your Tim Winton novels
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and you finished voting
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and have a bit of a guess
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about what possible connection
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either of these politicians
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could have to Tim Winton?
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So Malcolm Fraser, of course,
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Prime Minister from 1975 to 1983
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and Florence Cardel Oliver,
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who was in the West Australian parliament from 1936 to 1956.
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What connection could they have to Tim Winton?
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Obviously there's a WA connection that with Florence,
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but does it go deeper than that?
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Oh, the votes are streaming in.
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And another element of Tim Winton's
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life and work that I haven't chatted about
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is of course is environmental activism.
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So he donated a big chunk,
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like his whole prize money from WA writing prize
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to saving the Ningaloo reef
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and getting it world heritage listed so.
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And he's also very, very much involved
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in ocean conservation,
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which is another element that really comes through
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in the portrait behind me.
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Oh, look, Florence is well winning over Malcolm.
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Yeah, so here we go.
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Just gonna end the poll.
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Am just gonna ask Hector if he could please spotlight
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the two images so people can see them large on their screen.
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Okay.
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All right, let's share the results.
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And here we go, we are going down the path of Florence.
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So you all chose a lady in a fancy hat
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in a beautiful vintage photo over a politician
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leaning over a fence with a tank behind him.
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Oh, well look, Florence.
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Let's have a think about Florence, so.
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Go ahead in my study now.
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So Florence was the first woman in Australia
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to serve as a cabinet minister.
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So this was in WA.
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So what connection does she have to Tim Winton?
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Does it go just beyond the WA state connection?
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It does.
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So she actually has two kind of geographical
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extra connections to Winton.
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So he was born in Subiaco
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she represented Subiaco, that was her electorate.
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And when she first moved to Western Australia
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after her first husband passed away,
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with her second husband she moved to Albany,
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down to Mineng land down there in Albany,
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on the South Coast.
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And she represented the women's service fields there.
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So that's around the time of World War I.
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She's a really interesting lady in many ways.
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So she represented Australia internationally
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in the cause of women's suffrage.
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And she also was elected
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to parliament and almost was the longest serving
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woman in the Western Australian parliament
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until her record was broken in about 2011.
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So it was about 50 years before
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someone served longer than her.
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She was appointed,
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it's interesting to sort of think about what portfolios
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a woman sort of serving in that time would be given,
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but she was given supply, shipping
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and shipping initially, supply and shipping,
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and then health was added later.
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And that's where she really started to,
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really made an impact.
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So she also pioneered the,
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and really fought for the provision of school milk
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for children in Western Australia,
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as well as compulsory x-rays
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in the fight against tuberculosis.
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But let's have a little look at the portrait.
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So we've got these beautiful vintage portrait.
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We're not actually quite sure of the date of this one,
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but we think probably around the thirties,
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forties, fifties, kind of time.
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And I've particularly talked about the portrait second here,
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because of course what I'm gonna start highlighting
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is what she's wearing.
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But I have a fundamental objection
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to talking about women politicians
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and what they're wearing
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before I talk about their policies.
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So forgive that reversal there.
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So look at her beautifully trimmed cat,
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and that was something she was very much known for.
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She did turn out to parliament
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in full in flowing gown and always a beautifully
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trimmed hat with feathers or flowers.
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It's interesting looking at this portrait and thinking
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what you're reading into the face.
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And I think without knowing necessarily
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that she was a politician,
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obviously I told you that up front,
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what would, you know, it's interesting to
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sort of think you read in that sense of sort of
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purpose and determination and everything
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that she would have had to
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sort of stand for and be strong for
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to have a political career like that at that time.
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But I wonder if we would read that in
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if we didn't know that.
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And that's why some of our other programmes
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where you have a slow look at the work
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before knowing about the details are really interesting
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and you can experience that kind of mental shift of, oh wow.
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The other really fascinating thing
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I really wanna share about Florence before we
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go to the next part of this journey,
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is that she was also the first woman to do something else.
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How about a little bit of a think about what else
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she might've been?
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So she was the first woman
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to have a particular thing happen to her.
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And it was in the context of parliament.
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It was actually in the context of a debate about
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gambling and S people geese.
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Have a bit of a think.
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So, I don't know if anyone got this in the chat, Jill.
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Have we got any guesses?
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I don't know the answer,
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but I think that one person may have made a good guess.
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What's that?
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It's to do with pumps
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or ladies' toilets we've had as a guess.
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I actually, after watching the brilliant
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"Ms Represented" series with Annabel Crabb,
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any fans of political history and particularly
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feminist political history should check that out.
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But I wanted to explore the toilet situation for Florence
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but I didn't get time to do the research.
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I'm gonna tell you what it is.
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She was the first woman to be suspended from parliament.
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So the first woman to be chucked out.
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She obviously had some pretty
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strong beliefs about gambling
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and its effect on society and was,
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got way too strident for the gentlemen
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who she was in the chamber with at that point.
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We had one more, Kate,
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Kate managed to nail that.
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Well done, Kate, good job.
Well done, Kate.
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The other main thing coming through
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is how much people hated the school milk.
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(both laugh)
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That seems to be a common theme.
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That's true,
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I definitely remember my dad talking about
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how disgusting the school milk was, right? (laughs)
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I think that's one of those things
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that celebrated in history rather than in practise.
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Yeah, someone suggested that
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maybe school fruit would have been a better way to go.
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At least it wouldn't be yucky and curdled in summer.
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Yeah, yeah, the Australian climate didn't lend itself
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to that particular initiative, did it?
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Say, should we leave,
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should we leave Florence?
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We'll have a little bit more time with Florence
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while you vote.
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And Hector, should we bring up our next choice?
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And if you wanna pop your views into speak of you,
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you should be able to see the slide come up in full screen,
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or you should have Penny side by side now
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with our two choices.
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Here we go.
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Over to you, Penny.
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So, just while you're voting so we've got,
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we've got two more politicians.
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You led us down the political path this time, everybody.
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So we've got Linda Burney and Navillebonner,
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two more politicians.
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So again, there's one obvious connection,
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they're all in politics,
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but what is the other connection?
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Have a bit of a guess in the chat.
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But just while you're having a bit of a think about it,
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another interesting thing about this particular
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portrait of Florence is the makers,
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So the Broothorn Studios in Melbourne
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who took this portrait were very much the,
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they were the de rigueur photographers of the day.
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So they also took portraits of Nellie Melba.
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And to bring in a Canberra connection,
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Walter Burley Gryphon, so there you go.
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Jill, how is the voting going?
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The voting is going very, very well.
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I think we're just about ready to reveal the results.
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Here we go,
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70% of you voted for Linda Burney.
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So down the Linda Burney path week ago, hooray.
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That's very exciting.
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Thank you for taking us down the Linda Burney path
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to one of my absolute favourite portraits in the collection.
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I'm just gonna pull,
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I'm just gonna bring Linda and her baby
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into my study here.
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Thank you everyone.
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Isn't this a gorgeous portrait?
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So this is actually part of a
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group of portraits that was the first
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acquisition paper I worked on
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when I started at the portrait gallery.
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So it's by First Nations photographer, Michael Riley,
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it's taken in 1984.
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And Linda and Michael and many others,
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including so many names that you would recognise,
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Brenda Croft, Hetti Perkins, Charles Perkins,
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Avril Quaill like the list goes on, Tracey Moffatt,
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were all part of this incredible community
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that was political, that was visual arts,
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that was performance, dance
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in Redfern in the 1980s.
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And it was this huge sort of moment
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of creative and activists collaboration
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for all of these people who
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went on to do many other things.
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And I just love this portrait.
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Michael Raleigh has been quoted often to say that he
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wanted to do a series of portraits
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that showed his First Nations colleagues
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as incredibly glamorous,
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which is how he saw them and how he experienced that world
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rather than the images of First Nations people that were
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appearing in the media,
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sort of as a real direct political counter to that,
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that mainstream negative narrative.
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And it's just, you know,
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you could see this portrait,
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in a glamour magazine anywhere in the world.
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It certainly the beautiful tones of it
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and the different textures
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between her head and the
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rough on the back of the baby's head
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are just absolutely,
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and even that detail in the elbow of the little baby,
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are just so great.
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I don't know if, I think this might be one of the,
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either the only or one of the only
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portraits that we have involving a baby
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in the portrait gallery collection as well.
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Well, that's an interesting thought.
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I can't think of any others we might have.
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I mean, there's the little
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ceramic children climbing all over John Yu
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would be my second thought but, (laughs)
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but yeah, it may well be.
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So aside from the portrait,
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let's go back to what connection
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Linda Burney could possibly have
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to Florence Cardell Oliver.
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And it's a very simple one.
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And I think some of you might've guessed this
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is that it's just women first,
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basically was the connection I was drawing there.
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So some of these connections we've been making have been
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like direct life sort of parallels or place parallels.
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And this is one that's sort of a life achievement parallel.
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So Linda Burney was the first First Nations woman,
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first Aboriginal woman
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to sit in New South Wales parliament.
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First Aboriginal person
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to sit in New South Wales parliament, I think.
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And first Aboriginal woman to be elected
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to the Federal House of Representatives,
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which is massive, absolutely massive.
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And so it's interesting to look at these firsts,
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which we do a lot at the portrait gallery
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because of the nature of our collection
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and how we analyse these biographies.
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But I wanted to read you particularly
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just a few passages from Linda Burney's
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maiden speech in parliament.
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Because I think another thing
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I really enjoy doing as a curator
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is bringing the voices of the subjects,
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the voices of the sitters into the story.
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So pardon me a second while I just grab my notes.
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There's been some lovely comments coming through
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about the gentleness in this portrait.
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Somebody's mentioned just the fact that
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her hand rests so gently on the back of the baby's head.
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It's just, you know,
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you can almost smell the newborn baby's smell
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when you look at this particular portrait,
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it's just such a delight.
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Hmm, it really is.
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It's sorry, again,
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a little bit like the portrait we started with,
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the Richard Roxburgh, it's so pared back.
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Just to the fundamental human elements that you connect with
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at such a sort of visceral level, absolutely.
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And Veda has not noted that
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it's not the usual portrait of a politician holding a baby.
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(both laugh)
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No, it is not.
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And it's interesting because I've been exploring
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these portraits a lot through the moment
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that they were taken,
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but I actually think it's really,
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it's really interesting to think here of
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sort of Linda Burney and Redfern with all of her,
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her friends and colleagues and lifelong companions
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and collaborators there at that time in 1984.
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And then think of that,
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at the same time as thinking that she was standing up
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in 2016 making her maiden speech in federal parliament.
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So one of the things there's two little passages
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I'd love to read to you.
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So she said in parliament,
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I've been in public life for some time,
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but I have to admit
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that with the frenetic pace of the local campaign,
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I did not contemplate the response
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that the election of the first Aboriginal woman
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to the House of Representatives would get.
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I have been overwhelmed and many,
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she's a proud Wiradjuri woman.
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Many of you will remember her
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with her beautiful possum skin cloak,
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holding that in parliament and talking about
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her personal history and what that meant.
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And also speaking in language in federal parliament,
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share if you remember that speech live,
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do share any memories in the chat.
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Another part of the speech towards the end, she said,
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I spoke earlier about what it was like
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to be a young Aboriginal girl in the 1960s,
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sitting in a classroom
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being told that my capacity was limited by my race
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and my potential was capped by expectation.
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Thanks to the voters in Barton,
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I hope that there are young people
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who sit in classrooms
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and she referred to Chloe Noak
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from her hometown of Leeton who was there,
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whose imaginations are not so limited.
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If I can stand in this place, so can they.
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Never let anyone tell you
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that you are limited by anything.
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That speech had several powerful moments,
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but I particularly thought that resonated
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with the portrait that we have in our collection,
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that we're talking about today.
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Jill are there any questions that have come through
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in the chat about that or any memories of hearing
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Linda give that stage in parliament?
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Less questions, more observations.
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Marina, I wonder if our lovely access
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in learning stuff has reminded me
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that the Michael Riley series
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that we have at the portrait gallery
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actually has another portrait of Avril and Maya or Mia.
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So there are some children
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and it's all thanks to Michael Riley's
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series that we're able to bring these little people
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into the collection.
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So that's a really nice reminder.
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That's true, she's cradling Mia like this
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in her arms, it's a really beautiful portrait.
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I would strongly encourage everyone
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to go back and have a look at that after the programme.
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We might challenge Robert who
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is managing the chat at the moment
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to see if he might be able to find
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Linda Burney's speech.
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Did you bring it down from her site Penny,
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when you researched it or was it somewhere else
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on the internet?
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I think it was on her website, actually.
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Her website, there we go.
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We'll give Robert a clue and see if he can
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quickly find the link in the next five or 10 minutes.
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We have about another 10 or so minutes to go, Penny,
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would you like to potentially revisit
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some of the other pathways
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or some of the portraits from the other pathways
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that we didn't take today?
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Are there any particular standout ones in your research?
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Because of course,
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friends, in order to present this particular programme,
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we set Penny the challenge of not only
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designing one pathway but there've been multiple pathways
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that poor Penny has been busily researching
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for the past week
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only to have us only focus on three or four portraits.
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So are there any other highlights in that research, Penny
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that you'd like Hector to find in the slides
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and maybe have a little chat about?
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Well, how would everyone feel
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if we pretended that you'd chosen
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the Malcolm Fraser path.
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Hector, are you able to take us down
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that particular rabbit hole that we didn't visit?
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So if you'd picked.
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There he is.
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Look at him in that hat.
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(Penny chuckles)
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The old gentleman leaning over a fence
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over the glamorous vintage hat option,
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the akubra over the trimming.
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Let's say what that story brings.
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So I particularly like the connection
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between Malcolm Fraser and Tim Winton to go back a step.
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So the path that we actually followed through this programme
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was Richard Roxburgh connecting to Tim Winton,
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connecting to Florence Cardell Oliver as a first,
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first in women in politics
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and connecting to Linda Burney.
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Let's explore what the connection between
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Tim Winton and Malcolm Fraser was.
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So it's all about the environmental activism
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that I spoke about before.
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So Malcolm Fraser, when he was in government,
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his government voted in
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some of Australia's, well, a whole heap
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of Australia's foundational environmental legislation,
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including in 1991 listing the Great Barrier Reef
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as a world heritage area.
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And that links to the Tim Winton story in two ways,
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partly because he was involved also
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in the world heritage listing of a reef
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but also because he's the patron
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of the Australian Marine conservation society
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which formed in 1965,
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but were the major drivers to the campaign
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for the saving of the Great Barrier Reef.
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So that's the link there
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which I think is a particularly nice and unexpected one.
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Do you want to have a little bit of a check about
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who we would have followed from there
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and I can take you through quite-
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Well, we can almost do another vote.
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Would you like to do a vote for-
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Yeah, let's do another vote,
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see who Malcolm Fraser connects to.
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'Cause I know that Hector's found the slide
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for the next two people,
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which he is just about to bring up now.
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We have, there we go.
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All right, everyone voting.
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So just to talk while you're voting
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a little bit about Malcolm Fraser
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in this particular portrait.
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So he's actually on his,
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on the sheep station where his family,
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where he was raised in a marine sheep station.
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And he went back there after he retired.
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But about this time that this particular portrait was taken,
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he was very involved in leadership in Care International.
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So he became a leader in the humanitarian aid organisations.
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And that's what he was up to
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at the time that these portrait was taken.
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Is everyone voting, there we go.
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I think we're just about ready to end the poll.
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So the choices are Nam Le or Patrick White,
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which should be out large on your screen right now.
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Last couple of votes coming through and 3, 2, 1.
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Beautiful, oh, we voted for Nam Le?
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So acclaimed writer of the series of short fiction
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collected together that he called "The Boat".
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So what is his connection to Malcolm Fraser?
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Let me just bring him into my study here.
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So this is a lovely, lovely portrait by Rozalind Drummond.
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And again, it's very pared back, very simple,
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it's got that landscape element like the Tim Winton,
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but also it's got that lovely light on the face.
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And that very simple dress.
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It's a very calm portrait, which I always enjoy.
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But what connection could Nam Le
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have to Malcolm Fraser?
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Oh, Penny, I think
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there's a lot of people guessing
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there's a lot of people that have guessed this connection.
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Well done, there's your knowledge
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'cause I didn't at all refer
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to Malcolm Fraser's commitment and
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pursuance of multiculturalism as a policy.
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And also his acceptance
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of a huge number of Vietnamese refugees,
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including Vietnamese boat people into Australia.
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And of course, Nam Le came to Australia
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as a baby with his refugee parents.
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There is another connection as well,
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which is not the one I expected
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when I started researching this.
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00:38:30.930 --> 00:38:34.480
And that is they both went to Melbourne Grammar.
805
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:35.803
Did anyone guess that?
806
00:38:37.377 --> 00:38:38.300
There you go.
807
00:38:38.300 --> 00:38:41.140
So people know that neither work "The Boat",
808
00:38:41.140 --> 00:38:42.710
but I thought I would,
809
00:38:42.710 --> 00:38:44.820
because he's such a brilliant writer.
810
00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:48.710
I thought I would just give you a very short minute
811
00:38:48.710 --> 00:38:50.840
of him talking about how he writes.
812
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.950
So this is from an interview with "The Millions".
813
00:38:53.950 --> 00:38:54.783
And I thought this is,
814
00:38:54.783 --> 00:38:57.630
I always loved this sort of insight into how someone writes.
815
00:38:57.630 --> 00:38:59.290
And it's interesting to think about that
816
00:38:59.290 --> 00:39:01.970
while looking at a portrait of the writer.
817
00:39:01.970 --> 00:39:03.293
So this is what he said,
818
00:39:04.750 --> 00:39:07.310
every sentence carries with it
819
00:39:07.310 --> 00:39:09.980
a certain set of changes,
820
00:39:09.980 --> 00:39:13.570
charges, vibrations, shapes.
821
00:39:13.570 --> 00:39:16.930
What I try to do is chase down a state
822
00:39:16.930 --> 00:39:20.483
that's maximally charged or shapely.
823
00:39:21.700 --> 00:39:25.440
Sometimes that state is more visually concerned
824
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:29.060
how a word looks, fits into a sentence
825
00:39:29.060 --> 00:39:31.080
and sometimes more oral.
826
00:39:31.080 --> 00:39:33.690
Sometimes it treats more with images.
827
00:39:33.690 --> 00:39:36.063
Other times, obstructions.
828
00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:39.550
Of course, the effect this has
829
00:39:39.550 --> 00:39:43.120
at a technical level is pretty disheartening.
830
00:39:43.120 --> 00:39:45.410
It suggests that every sentence
831
00:39:45.410 --> 00:39:49.470
that is on the first go serviceable, efficient,
832
00:39:49.470 --> 00:39:52.823
even competent can always be improved.
833
00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:56.370
And I really love that as a,
834
00:39:56.370 --> 00:39:58.640
I would say that some,
835
00:39:58.640 --> 00:40:02.325
probably a lot of writers experience (laughs)
836
00:40:02.325 --> 00:40:06.530
of that process but just beautifully expressed
837
00:40:06.530 --> 00:40:09.290
as he does in all of his work.
838
00:40:09.290 --> 00:40:12.240
So we're almost at the end of our time,
839
00:40:12.240 --> 00:40:13.490
aren't we, Jill?
840
00:40:13.490 --> 00:40:14.440
Yeah, nearly there,
841
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.030
we have time for a couple of,
842
00:40:16.030 --> 00:40:20.430
oh, somebody was asking where that quote came from, Penny.
843
00:40:20.430 --> 00:40:21.380
That one there?
844
00:40:21.380 --> 00:40:23.330
So that was in an interview with the,
845
00:40:23.330 --> 00:40:25.380
with the website, "The Millions".
846
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.023
So you can find that online.
847
00:40:28.180 --> 00:40:29.100
And there were a lot of people
848
00:40:29.100 --> 00:40:29.933
who were quite surprised
849
00:40:29.933 --> 00:40:31.600
by the Melbourne Grammar connection.
850
00:40:31.600 --> 00:40:33.053
I know, I was.
851
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:35.880
See, in our last few minutes,
852
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.970
do you wanna see the other school connection
853
00:40:37.970 --> 00:40:40.250
for Patrick White who you didn't choose?
854
00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:41.290
Sure thing,
855
00:40:41.290 --> 00:40:42.790
we can never get enough of Patrick White.
856
00:40:42.790 --> 00:40:43.770
Let's bring him up.
857
00:40:43.770 --> 00:40:45.540
Yeah, look, every programme I'm in
858
00:40:45.540 --> 00:40:47.390
I'm always gonna be mentioning Patrick White
859
00:40:47.390 --> 00:40:49.540
you are all just gonna have to expect that.
860
00:40:53.690 --> 00:40:56.891
So I'm gonna bring him into my virtual background.
861
00:40:56.891 --> 00:40:58.500
Oh, he's a bit grumpy.
862
00:40:58.500 --> 00:41:00.590
I'm not sure if you want him in your virtual background.
863
00:41:00.590 --> 00:41:02.628
Oh, there he is.
Oh, look at him.
864
00:41:02.628 --> 00:41:04.447
That's such a great portrait.
865
00:41:04.447 --> 00:41:07.754
This is a beautiful portrait by Max Dupain
866
00:41:07.754 --> 00:41:11.660
of Manoly there in the, Patrick White's life partner
867
00:41:11.660 --> 00:41:14.220
in the foreground there with one of the pugs
868
00:41:14.220 --> 00:41:18.597
and Patrick White there looking trademark grumpy.
869
00:41:20.300 --> 00:41:22.960
They're sitting down in the background.
870
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.890
But what's the connection to Malcolm Fraser?
871
00:41:25.890 --> 00:41:27.495
Can anyone guess?
872
00:41:27.495 --> 00:41:30.080
Have we got any guesses for that one?
873
00:41:30.080 --> 00:41:31.393
Not yet.
874
00:41:33.100 --> 00:41:34.943
So Nobel Prize winning,
875
00:41:35.950 --> 00:41:37.943
Nobel Prize winning novelist.
876
00:41:40.910 --> 00:41:44.410
Huge towering figure in Australian literature,
877
00:41:44.410 --> 00:41:45.803
not the same age, no.
878
00:41:46.700 --> 00:41:49.070
Yes, so it is the school.
879
00:41:49.070 --> 00:41:50.200
It's the school connection,
880
00:41:50.200 --> 00:41:53.670
but it's a slightly more obscure one than Melbourne Grammar.
881
00:41:53.670 --> 00:41:55.840
So both of them at different times.
882
00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.230
So actually this is a nice shout out to anyone
883
00:42:00.230 --> 00:42:02.550
who's homeschooling because Malcolm Fraser
884
00:42:02.550 --> 00:42:04.613
was homeschooled till age 10,
885
00:42:05.600 --> 00:42:08.210
before he was sent to the Southern Highlands
886
00:42:08.210 --> 00:42:10.853
to a boarding school called Tudor House.
887
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.210
Patrick White also at age 10,
888
00:42:14.210 --> 00:42:18.730
but back in the 1920s was also sent to Tudor House
889
00:42:18.730 --> 00:42:21.210
particularly because he had terrible asthma
890
00:42:21.210 --> 00:42:23.976
and they were thinking that this sort of country air
891
00:42:23.976 --> 00:42:26.363
might help with his asthma.
892
00:42:27.590 --> 00:42:29.740
Should I finish off by rating a little bit about
893
00:42:29.740 --> 00:42:31.670
what Patrick White said
894
00:42:31.670 --> 00:42:34.620
about his first experiences at this boarding school
895
00:42:34.620 --> 00:42:36.410
that he did not know the
896
00:42:36.410 --> 00:42:38.360
future prime minister of Australia in
897
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.880
50 years time would be attending?
898
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:42.969
Yes, please.
899
00:42:42.969 --> 00:42:47.219
I'm gonna have a little bit of a reach over here.
900
00:42:56.510 --> 00:43:00.270
So this is from "Flaws in the Glass",
901
00:43:01.200 --> 00:43:04.920
his autobiography which is one of my favourite books.
902
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:06.810
I'm really indulging myself today,
903
00:43:06.810 --> 00:43:08.003
I'm sorry, everyone.
904
00:43:09.600 --> 00:43:11.570
Boarding school I was told,
905
00:43:11.570 --> 00:43:13.193
would put me in my place.
906
00:43:14.100 --> 00:43:15.730
The school to which they sent me
907
00:43:15.730 --> 00:43:18.830
was far enough from Sydney to foment terror
908
00:43:18.830 --> 00:43:21.800
in the heart of a timid introspective child.
909
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:23.313
Anyway, in the beginning.
910
00:43:24.330 --> 00:43:27.090
It was patronised by the grazier class
911
00:43:27.090 --> 00:43:30.160
and Sydney families with social pretensions.
912
00:43:30.160 --> 00:43:32.220
The climate was bracing.
913
00:43:32.220 --> 00:43:34.490
The boys let guys of any school
914
00:43:34.490 --> 00:43:36.390
were said to love everything about it.
915
00:43:37.720 --> 00:43:41.820
The building was a mansion in the Tim's valley Tudor style
916
00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:43.520
favoured by the Australian rich
917
00:43:43.520 --> 00:43:45.463
in the earlier part of the century.
918
00:43:46.740 --> 00:43:47.930
By the time I arrived,
919
00:43:47.930 --> 00:43:49.630
it was looking somewhat abraded
920
00:43:49.630 --> 00:43:51.210
standing in an arid garden
921
00:43:51.210 --> 00:43:54.060
in which only the fittest had survived.
922
00:43:54.060 --> 00:43:56.930
Yet, I developed an affection for its tunnels
923
00:43:56.930 --> 00:44:00.330
of droughty laurels and tortured golden cypresses
924
00:44:00.330 --> 00:44:02.453
the closer I became acquainted with them.
925
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:07.680
In the Tudor mansion between the gothic ponds
926
00:44:07.680 --> 00:44:10.240
and wind swept sun-bleached paddocks,
927
00:44:10.240 --> 00:44:12.980
I suffered my own first wounds
928
00:44:12.980 --> 00:44:14.980
and began unconsciously to learn
929
00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:17.423
about the politics of life and love.
930
00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:20.710
As brutes in knickerbockers,
931
00:44:20.710 --> 00:44:23.340
Herschel passed me the first night.
932
00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:25.340
I planned to sell my pencils
933
00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:27.203
and buy a train ticket to Sydney.
934
00:44:28.080 --> 00:44:30.790
Somehow I survived
935
00:44:30.790 --> 00:44:33.060
and became a different kind of brute,
936
00:44:33.060 --> 00:44:34.913
far sharper if I had known.
937
00:44:36.790 --> 00:44:37.627
There you go.
938
00:44:38.530 --> 00:44:42.909
it's probably a lovely place to end it in some ways, so.
939
00:44:42.909 --> 00:44:44.107
And now I can't get
940
00:44:44.107 --> 00:44:45.816
brutes and knickerbockers out of my head.
941
00:44:45.816 --> 00:44:47.720
(Penny laughs)
942
00:44:47.720 --> 00:44:49.080
So many beautiful images.
943
00:44:49.080 --> 00:44:51.207
Like you could really read any passage of Patrick White,
944
00:44:51.207 --> 00:44:53.783
and it would be that great and that vivid.
945
00:44:55.630 --> 00:44:57.800
I think that's all we have time for, isn't it, Jill?
946
00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:58.633
Should I hand back to you.
947
00:44:58.633 --> 00:45:00.120
Thanks so much everyone
948
00:45:00.120 --> 00:45:03.070
for your incredible participation today,
949
00:45:03.070 --> 00:45:04.580
it's been a real experiment,
950
00:45:04.580 --> 00:45:06.540
thanks to coming on the journey with us
951
00:45:06.540 --> 00:45:07.990
and taking me on the journey.
952
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:10.410
Thank you so much, Penny.
953
00:45:10.410 --> 00:45:11.490
And thank you so much
954
00:45:11.490 --> 00:45:13.710
to rising to the challenge of researching
955
00:45:13.710 --> 00:45:16.260
not one, not two, not three connections,
956
00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:18.830
but 12 to 15 connections, I think,
957
00:45:18.830 --> 00:45:20.890
you've planned out for this one session alone.
958
00:45:20.890 --> 00:45:22.560
So maybe this is something
959
00:45:22.560 --> 00:45:24.730
that we could check back in with you later on
960
00:45:24.730 --> 00:45:26.880
maybe in October or November and
961
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:28.920
we could do a repeat of some of the
962
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:30.430
connections that you've unearthed
963
00:45:30.430 --> 00:45:33.370
through the research for this particular programme.
964
00:45:33.370 --> 00:45:34.203
That would be great.
Thank you so much
965
00:45:34.203 --> 00:45:36.120
to everybody for, oh, sorry.
966
00:45:36.120 --> 00:45:38.350
Thank you so much to everybody for joining in today.
967
00:45:38.350 --> 00:45:40.330
We're just so thrilled
968
00:45:40.330 --> 00:45:42.210
to see so many faces streaming in
969
00:45:42.210 --> 00:45:43.610
every time we run a programme,
970
00:45:43.610 --> 00:45:44.830
we can't thank you enough
971
00:45:44.830 --> 00:45:46.672
for supporting the arts at this time
972
00:45:46.672 --> 00:45:48.610
and really celebrating with us.
973
00:45:48.610 --> 00:45:50.640
It's really made our lockdown
974
00:45:50.640 --> 00:45:53.230
so much easier to bear just seeing you all out there
975
00:45:53.230 --> 00:45:55.330
and being able to connect with our audiences.
976
00:45:55.330 --> 00:45:58.830
So please jump on our website, portrait.gov.edu
977
00:45:58.830 --> 00:45:59.990
if you'd like to check out all
978
00:45:59.990 --> 00:46:02.040
the other programmes we have coming up.
979
00:46:02.040 --> 00:46:03.233
As I said at the beginning,
980
00:46:03.233 --> 00:46:04.900
we're committed to having our
981
00:46:04.900 --> 00:46:06.760
virtual highlights tours on Tuesdays.
982
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.860
And now these in-conversations on Thursdays,
983
00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:12.620
slightly longer, 45 minutes on Thursdays.
984
00:46:12.620 --> 00:46:14.180
Next week, we have,
985
00:46:14.180 --> 00:46:15.950
a director of collections and exhibition,
986
00:46:15.950 --> 00:46:17.970
Sandra Bruce, who is gonna be doing
987
00:46:17.970 --> 00:46:19.740
and Ausland interpreted tour
988
00:46:19.740 --> 00:46:22.070
called Another Pick on the Wall.
989
00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:25.150
So please join us for that one next week.
990
00:46:25.150 --> 00:46:26.970
And then also jump on the website
991
00:46:26.970 --> 00:46:28.240
to see all the other programmes.
992
00:46:28.240 --> 00:46:31.600
We have kids' programmes, we have workshops,
993
00:46:31.600 --> 00:46:32.830
we have something for everybody.
994
00:46:32.830 --> 00:46:35.790
So hope to see you all again online soon.
995
00:46:35.790 --> 00:46:38.360
And until then, please stay safe,
996
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:39.493
thank you so much.