WEBVTT 1 00:00:47.170 --> 00:00:49.373 And make sure that the volume is cool. 2 00:00:51.750 --> 00:00:54.262 Hello and welcome everyone 3 00:00:54.262 --> 00:00:56.350 to the National Portrait Gallery 4 00:00:56.350 --> 00:00:59.060 here in Canberra, the nation's capital. 5 00:00:59.060 --> 00:01:01.000 My name is Robert, I'm part of the digital 6 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:04.270 and access and learning team here at the gallery. 7 00:01:04.270 --> 00:01:05.980 And it's my pleasure to welcome you 8 00:01:05.980 --> 00:01:10.120 to our very special in conversation today with Lindy Morrison. 9 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.270 We're going to be crossing, 10 00:01:12.270 --> 00:01:15.630 we're gonna be walking through our gallery in a moment 11 00:01:15.630 --> 00:01:18.652 to get to our special guests and to our curator, Jo, 12 00:01:18.652 --> 00:01:20.060 who are gonna be in conversation, 13 00:01:20.060 --> 00:01:21.050 but we'll just get a little bit 14 00:01:21.050 --> 00:01:23.887 of housekeeping out of the way first of all. 15 00:01:23.887 --> 00:01:27.130 So I'm sure you're all Zoom experts by now, 16 00:01:27.130 --> 00:01:31.759 but if you're not, please keep your microphones on mute 17 00:01:31.759 --> 00:01:34.160 and feel free to keep your cameras on, 18 00:01:34.160 --> 00:01:35.740 we don't mind seeing our audience, 19 00:01:35.740 --> 00:01:38.130 but just be aware that we are recording today's session 20 00:01:38.130 --> 00:01:41.393 and it may appear on our website at some time in the future. 21 00:01:42.876 --> 00:01:47.640 Please communicate with us via the chat function, 22 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.820 the chat icon is probably at the bottom of your screen 23 00:01:50.820 --> 00:01:52.030 if you're on a laptop 24 00:01:52.030 --> 00:01:54.623 or am sure you will find it on your device. 25 00:01:54.623 --> 00:01:59.070 We'd love to hear your comments, your memories of the period 26 00:01:59.070 --> 00:02:00.880 that we're gonna be talking about, 27 00:02:00.880 --> 00:02:03.600 and we'd also like to have any questions 28 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:08.074 that we can throw to our in conversationalists today. 29 00:02:08.074 --> 00:02:12.050 Now, today we are streaming out to you live 30 00:02:12.050 --> 00:02:13.070 from the Portrait Gallery 31 00:02:13.070 --> 00:02:15.800 which is on the lands of the Ngunnawal 32 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:18.850 and Ngambri peoples here in the Canberra region. 33 00:02:18.850 --> 00:02:20.410 And I would like to pay my respects 34 00:02:20.410 --> 00:02:23.640 to their elders past, present and emerging, 35 00:02:23.640 --> 00:02:26.840 and to acknowledge the continuing connection to the lands 36 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:30.133 and the waters and the communities of this region. 37 00:02:31.040 --> 00:02:35.360 All right, now Pub Rock is closing very soon, this weekend. 38 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:37.110 So if you haven't got here and you are 39 00:02:37.110 --> 00:02:40.370 within driving distance, this is your last opportunity. 40 00:02:40.370 --> 00:02:42.290 So we're gonna go for a little wander through 41 00:02:42.290 --> 00:02:44.300 and I'll point out a couple of highlights. 42 00:02:44.300 --> 00:02:45.680 Matt is doing our camera work, 43 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:50.680 he is operating our new behemoth broadcast trolley, 44 00:02:50.720 --> 00:02:52.510 and he's just getting used to it, 45 00:02:52.510 --> 00:02:55.650 so it's going to be a little shaky, that's not his fault, 46 00:02:55.650 --> 00:02:56.682 that's the wheels. 47 00:02:56.682 --> 00:02:59.767 Come this way, now on our wall here, 48 00:02:59.767 --> 00:03:04.760 we've got a amazing portrait of Chrissy Amphlett. 49 00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:07.403 On the other side of that partition, 50 00:03:07.403 --> 00:03:11.400 we have got some, well, we've got 51 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:16.400 a photographic portrait of Chrissy and many other people. 52 00:03:16.830 --> 00:03:20.570 On this wall, we've got The Angels with Doc Neeson, 53 00:03:20.570 --> 00:03:25.570 Marcia Hines, in the little alcove over to the other side, 54 00:03:27.040 --> 00:03:31.370 we've got the Angels and AC/DC. 55 00:03:31.370 --> 00:03:34.180 This is a very big exhibition, it's bigger than you think, 56 00:03:34.180 --> 00:03:36.119 it covers a couple of different galleries. 57 00:03:36.119 --> 00:03:38.519 So we're going into a new gallery now. 58 00:03:38.519 --> 00:03:41.520 And as we come through, being careful 59 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.484 to not hit the sides of the walls. 60 00:03:44.484 --> 00:03:46.420 (both laughing) 61 00:03:46.420 --> 00:03:51.130 Here we are, so I'm going to hand you over now to Jo, 62 00:03:51.130 --> 00:03:54.590 who is one of the curators Pub Rock. 63 00:03:54.590 --> 00:03:59.413 Yes, one of several curators of Pub Rock. 64 00:04:01.260 --> 00:04:03.869 Now, we're all set to go? 65 00:04:03.869 --> 00:04:06.660 We're, all set to go, great (laughs) thanks Robert. 66 00:04:06.660 --> 00:04:11.320 And hello everyone, welcome to the final, 67 00:04:11.320 --> 00:04:13.359 it's kind of a swan song, I suppose, 68 00:04:13.359 --> 00:04:15.930 for the Pub Rock exhibition, 69 00:04:15.930 --> 00:04:17.710 which closes on Sunday, 70 00:04:17.710 --> 00:04:20.070 I'm sure Robert has already exhorted everyone 71 00:04:20.070 --> 00:04:22.706 to come and see it before it finishes on Sunday. 72 00:04:22.706 --> 00:04:26.900 But it's been a real joy to have this exhibition on 73 00:04:26.900 --> 00:04:28.420 for the past few months. 74 00:04:28.420 --> 00:04:30.310 It's one which we sort of created 75 00:04:30.310 --> 00:04:32.220 in a ridiculously short period of time 76 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:35.040 while we were all in lockdown last year, 77 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:38.750 and one which we sort of created very much 78 00:04:38.750 --> 00:04:40.880 as a sort of a, I suppose, a celebration 79 00:04:40.880 --> 00:04:42.890 so that when we all came out of lockdown 80 00:04:42.890 --> 00:04:44.940 and could finally get back to art galleries 81 00:04:44.940 --> 00:04:49.360 and all of that sort of stuff, it would be an exhibition 82 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:54.360 that really sort of prompted people to feel a lightness, 83 00:04:54.418 --> 00:04:57.693 to have to have something to feel sort of happy about. 84 00:04:57.693 --> 00:05:01.678 Yeah, so an exhibition that's been generated completely, 85 00:05:01.678 --> 00:05:05.905 started from the gallery's own collection, 86 00:05:05.905 --> 00:05:10.200 and then we sort of fleshed it out 87 00:05:10.200 --> 00:05:14.170 where we could with works by a group of photographers 88 00:05:14.170 --> 00:05:16.825 who Lindy and myself we'll be talking about 89 00:05:16.825 --> 00:05:20.090 as this programme progresses. 90 00:05:20.090 --> 00:05:22.830 But one of the starting points for the exhibition 91 00:05:22.830 --> 00:05:25.165 was the work on the wall behind me, 92 00:05:25.165 --> 00:05:27.660 which is three little portraits 93 00:05:27.660 --> 00:05:31.863 by Jenny Watson of the Go-Betweens painted in 1981. 94 00:05:33.540 --> 00:05:37.770 So Robert Forster, Lindy Morrison and Grant McLennan, 95 00:05:37.770 --> 00:05:41.300 and we're absolutely thrilled that Lindy Morrison 96 00:05:41.300 --> 00:05:45.280 is here today to talk about not just these portraits 97 00:05:45.280 --> 00:05:46.810 but about the whole exhibition. 98 00:05:46.810 --> 00:05:47.643 Welcome Lindy, 99 00:05:47.643 --> 00:05:49.458 it's really nice to see you. Thanks you. 100 00:05:49.458 --> 00:05:50.291 (Jo laughing) 101 00:05:50.291 --> 00:05:52.741 They are little portraits but they are awesome. 102 00:05:53.682 --> 00:05:55.260 They are awesome. 103 00:05:55.260 --> 00:05:59.090 So when we sort of first started working on this exhibition, 104 00:05:59.090 --> 00:06:02.150 we found that surprisingly actually 105 00:06:02.150 --> 00:06:03.680 there's sort of representation 106 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:05.870 of popular and rock music in the collection 107 00:06:05.870 --> 00:06:08.370 was fairly sort of minimal, and these portraits 108 00:06:08.370 --> 00:06:10.910 were one of the sort of few starting points 109 00:06:10.910 --> 00:06:12.440 that we had, I guess. 110 00:06:12.440 --> 00:06:15.400 And certainly when I started working here 13 years ago, 111 00:06:15.400 --> 00:06:19.560 these were one of very, very few sort of portraits 112 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:21.680 of popular musicians and rock musicians 113 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:23.260 that we had in the collection. 114 00:06:23.260 --> 00:06:25.980 Obviously the collection has grown a lot since that time. 115 00:06:25.980 --> 00:06:30.110 They are very prescient of the Go-Between and Jenny Watson at that time. 116 00:06:30.110 --> 00:06:34.285 Indeed, and I understand you have a little bit of, 117 00:06:34.285 --> 00:06:36.966 you can tell us a little bit 118 00:06:36.966 --> 00:06:39.010 about the history of these works. 119 00:06:39.010 --> 00:06:40.700 Yeah, so I can, so first of all, 120 00:06:40.700 --> 00:06:42.890 let me say that it's not in '81, 121 00:06:42.890 --> 00:06:45.440 these were painted about 40 years, 122 00:06:45.440 --> 00:06:47.540 so that's pretty incredible. 123 00:06:47.540 --> 00:06:51.104 And Robert and I were living in Spring Hill 124 00:06:51.104 --> 00:06:53.180 and Grant was living around the corner 125 00:06:53.180 --> 00:06:56.845 in an apartment block in Brisbane, 126 00:06:56.845 --> 00:07:01.845 and coming into town was John Nixon who is now deceased, 127 00:07:03.870 --> 00:07:08.010 the late John Nixon who is a contemporary artist, 128 00:07:08.010 --> 00:07:10.780 and Jenny Watson was his partner at the time, 129 00:07:10.780 --> 00:07:13.940 and they were truly exotic creatures from Brisbane. 130 00:07:13.940 --> 00:07:15.080 They'd come from Melbourne 131 00:07:15.080 --> 00:07:18.210 and he'd come to do a residency, I believe. 132 00:07:18.210 --> 00:07:19.904 He also did an exhibition 133 00:07:19.904 --> 00:07:23.867 of his very, very minimal paintings in a warehouse, 134 00:07:23.867 --> 00:07:28.090 where we punks ran and turned on all the water taps 135 00:07:28.090 --> 00:07:31.245 to let it run through the warehouse because we were punks. 136 00:07:31.245 --> 00:07:32.282 (Jo laughing) 137 00:07:32.282 --> 00:07:34.440 That's another story for another time. 138 00:07:34.440 --> 00:07:37.450 But anyway, Jenny, the Go-Between asked Jenny 139 00:07:37.450 --> 00:07:42.450 to do our portraits for the cover of our very first album, 140 00:07:42.947 --> 00:07:44.870 "Send Me a Lullaby" 141 00:07:44.870 --> 00:07:46.780 which was on Missing Link records, 142 00:07:46.780 --> 00:07:48.423 and we were a three-piece then. 143 00:07:50.290 --> 00:07:53.020 So she took Polaroids, 144 00:07:53.020 --> 00:07:56.980 you know, it was a big Polaroid session 145 00:07:56.980 --> 00:07:59.350 where she took me and, you know. 146 00:07:59.350 --> 00:08:02.350 And then what she did was she did grids, 147 00:08:02.350 --> 00:08:05.110 and you can see the grids, and she'd painted it 148 00:08:05.110 --> 00:08:07.590 all in all in the grids, and that's how you get 149 00:08:07.590 --> 00:08:11.700 that really extraordinary, weird look about it, 150 00:08:11.700 --> 00:08:14.930 that worked so well, and of course it's in oil. 151 00:08:14.930 --> 00:08:19.930 And, yeah, so they just came up unbelievably 152 00:08:22.230 --> 00:08:24.100 and looked amazing on the cover. 153 00:08:24.100 --> 00:08:27.060 But I'm so happy that they stayed together 154 00:08:27.060 --> 00:08:29.810 because they were being sold for $50. 155 00:08:29.810 --> 00:08:31.570 And I could not find one, At the time. 156 00:08:31.570 --> 00:08:33.952 Just one, it was 50. 157 00:08:33.952 --> 00:08:36.640 I was absolutely broke. 158 00:08:36.640 --> 00:08:39.827 I mean, you know, Robert and I were living on the dole 159 00:08:39.827 --> 00:08:44.370 we were living on, we were eating his mother's fruit cake 160 00:08:44.370 --> 00:08:46.419 that she gave to us every week. 161 00:08:46.419 --> 00:08:47.252 (both laughing) 162 00:08:47.252 --> 00:08:51.868 And, it's probably too much information Jo, 163 00:08:51.868 --> 00:08:54.400 but I couldn't afford it. 164 00:08:54.400 --> 00:08:59.400 And anyway, a man who became Jenny Watson's second partner 165 00:09:01.470 --> 00:09:04.490 bought them, and then he donated them later on 166 00:09:04.490 --> 00:09:06.360 to the National Portrait Gallery. 167 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.880 So you couldn't be happy that they stayed together 168 00:09:08.880 --> 00:09:11.987 because they are a triptych. 169 00:09:11.987 --> 00:09:13.651 Yes, they are. 170 00:09:13.651 --> 00:09:17.395 And it's actually, I mean, they're in the collection now, 171 00:09:17.395 --> 00:09:19.155 actually I have a feeling we purchased them, 172 00:09:19.155 --> 00:09:21.380 but they were in an exhibition, the only other exhibition 173 00:09:21.380 --> 00:09:24.130 that the gallery has ever done about this subject 174 00:09:24.130 --> 00:09:28.830 was in 2001-2002, and at that stage, 175 00:09:28.830 --> 00:09:31.350 they were still sort of privately owned, 176 00:09:31.350 --> 00:09:33.510 but we had them in the exhibition 177 00:09:33.510 --> 00:09:36.820 with some other works by Jenny 'cause she was an art teacher 178 00:09:36.820 --> 00:09:38.560 in Melbourne, and people like Nick Cave 179 00:09:38.560 --> 00:09:39.940 Were some of her students, 180 00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:42.090 and she'd done this fabulous series, 181 00:09:42.090 --> 00:09:45.870 I think they might be watercolours of Nick Cave 182 00:09:45.870 --> 00:09:50.054 and the other guys from Boys Next Door or Birthday Party. 183 00:09:50.054 --> 00:09:52.467 Yeah, it might have been the Boys Next Door, 184 00:09:52.467 --> 00:09:55.800 that's what it was the Boys Next Door. 185 00:09:55.800 --> 00:09:56.940 I went to her exhibition 186 00:09:56.940 --> 00:10:01.940 in the contemporary MTI Sydney recently that they, 187 00:10:02.035 --> 00:10:05.380 her work is fabulous, it's absolutely fabulous. 188 00:10:05.380 --> 00:10:07.891 And this is really unlike her work, 189 00:10:07.891 --> 00:10:12.891 this is totally anomalous to what she paints now 190 00:10:13.286 --> 00:10:17.460 and what she's painted for the last 40 years, I'd say. 191 00:10:17.460 --> 00:10:20.870 And that's why we're so lucky because it's so skillful 192 00:10:20.870 --> 00:10:25.870 and it captures us clearly, you know. 193 00:10:26.290 --> 00:10:29.540 That would be Grant like hiding from the camera. 194 00:10:29.540 --> 00:10:31.100 He wouldn't have liked it. (Jo laughing) 195 00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:34.570 He would not have liked it, and that would be him hiding. 196 00:10:34.570 --> 00:10:39.570 And I was a serious punk girl, you know, there's Robert 197 00:10:39.660 --> 00:10:44.620 with his cheeks sucked in as he would do for photos, 198 00:10:44.620 --> 00:10:49.620 and we've been represented beautifully by that. 199 00:10:50.470 --> 00:10:51.790 Yeah. I've got the up 200 00:10:51.790 --> 00:10:53.540 on this screen now. 201 00:10:53.540 --> 00:10:55.941 Oh, great, I'm really glad to see that. 202 00:10:55.941 --> 00:10:59.230 And I think that's a really interesting point 203 00:10:59.230 --> 00:11:01.070 that you make about this being the work 204 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:03.190 that Jenny obviously was doing 40 years ago 205 00:11:03.190 --> 00:11:05.160 and not necessarily having any resemblance 206 00:11:05.160 --> 00:11:07.490 or relationship to what she's doing now, 207 00:11:07.490 --> 00:11:09.570 but one of the things I think we were conscious of 208 00:11:09.570 --> 00:11:12.621 in sort of pulling this exhibition together was, 209 00:11:12.621 --> 00:11:17.080 there's sort of numerous ways in which art and music 210 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.010 kind of intersect, you know. 211 00:11:19.010 --> 00:11:22.260 So there's photographers who are, you know, 212 00:11:22.260 --> 00:11:24.050 kind of taking the kind of live action shots, 213 00:11:24.050 --> 00:11:27.315 I suppose you'd say documenting actual performances, 214 00:11:27.315 --> 00:11:30.740 you've got all the kind of publicity photos 215 00:11:30.740 --> 00:11:33.860 that are taken for magazines and album covers 216 00:11:33.860 --> 00:11:35.000 and all of that sort of stuff. 217 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.170 And then you've got artists like Jenny, 218 00:11:37.170 --> 00:11:39.780 who as I understand it with these works 219 00:11:39.780 --> 00:11:41.760 and say with the portraits that she did 220 00:11:41.760 --> 00:11:45.420 of the Birthday Party was documenting the kind of scene 221 00:11:45.420 --> 00:11:48.940 that she was part of in Melbourne and Brisbane. 222 00:11:48.940 --> 00:11:51.620 In Brisbane actually because she really connected 223 00:11:51.620 --> 00:11:55.461 with the music, she really with the culture, yep. 224 00:11:55.461 --> 00:11:58.483 And that's why she wants to be part of it, that's right. 225 00:11:59.800 --> 00:12:00.740 We're very lucky. 226 00:12:00.740 --> 00:12:02.342 Yeah. 227 00:12:02.342 --> 00:12:03.175 Yeah, really were. 228 00:12:03.175 --> 00:12:05.318 I wanna hear about the taps in the warehouse. 229 00:12:05.318 --> 00:12:06.240 (Jo laughing) 230 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.307 So we can have a sit. Yeah, we can have a sit. 231 00:12:08.307 --> 00:12:13.307 So what he did was, he took over this warehouse in the city. 232 00:12:15.730 --> 00:12:16.563 Yeah. 233 00:12:16.563 --> 00:12:21.110 And it had a huge lift that came up, 234 00:12:21.110 --> 00:12:24.480 a huge, big wooden lift, but on either sides 235 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.570 of this wooden lift were taps. 236 00:12:27.570 --> 00:12:29.470 And we went to the exhibition in the middle of the day 237 00:12:29.470 --> 00:12:31.890 and we turn on all the taps so that they'd run down 238 00:12:31.890 --> 00:12:34.300 the centre of the building and ran away. 239 00:12:34.300 --> 00:12:37.330 And I saw John Nixon a few years before he died, 240 00:12:37.330 --> 00:12:38.540 and I told him the story. 241 00:12:38.540 --> 00:12:41.960 He said, "I always wondered who turned those taps on." 242 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:43.525 It was such a ridiculously naughty 243 00:12:43.525 --> 00:12:46.700 and wasteful and non-green thing to do, 244 00:12:46.700 --> 00:12:47.981 but we still did it. 245 00:12:47.981 --> 00:12:50.950 (Jo laughing) 246 00:12:50.950 --> 00:12:52.590 But while we're that subject, 247 00:12:52.590 --> 00:12:55.590 I'm actually kind of intrigued, I suppose, 248 00:12:55.590 --> 00:12:58.840 you said that when John and Jenny came to Brisbane, 249 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.500 you felt that they were really kind of 250 00:13:00.500 --> 00:13:03.030 these exotic creatures from Melbourne. 251 00:13:03.030 --> 00:13:07.760 I was wondering if we kind of could talk maybe a little bit 252 00:13:07.760 --> 00:13:11.378 about the sort of Brisbane scene in the 1970s. 253 00:13:11.378 --> 00:13:14.730 I guess I'm thinking of a couple of things, partly that, 254 00:13:14.730 --> 00:13:17.840 you know, Monday was International Women's Day. 255 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:21.480 And, I mean, I can sort of vaguely remember the '70s, 256 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:23.050 I can't remember them very clearly, 257 00:13:23.050 --> 00:13:26.830 but I have some memories of the '70s and, 258 00:13:26.830 --> 00:13:29.811 you know, as a sort of a historian, 259 00:13:29.811 --> 00:13:33.567 I'm really interested in the way that the '70s was. 260 00:13:33.567 --> 00:13:36.340 There was so many groundbreaking things 261 00:13:36.340 --> 00:13:39.520 that happened in terms of women's rights in the 1970s, 262 00:13:39.520 --> 00:13:40.590 you've got Equal Pay, 263 00:13:40.590 --> 00:13:43.300 you've got Women's Refuges being established, 264 00:13:43.300 --> 00:13:45.940 you've got well, the election of the Whitlam Government 265 00:13:45.940 --> 00:13:49.216 and what that meant in terms of equal opportunity, 266 00:13:49.216 --> 00:13:53.403 and all sorts of things. And it was the late '60s, 267 00:13:53.403 --> 00:13:57.980 that two women chained themselves to a bar Brisbane. 268 00:13:57.980 --> 00:13:59.280 Yeah. 269 00:13:59.280 --> 00:14:01.075 Merle Thornton was one of those women. 270 00:14:01.075 --> 00:14:06.075 And so we had that late, but also remember 271 00:14:06.610 --> 00:14:08.190 we were incredibly influenced 272 00:14:08.190 --> 00:14:10.500 by Germaine Greer of the Female Eunuch. 273 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:14.730 I mean, all the women my age, we were so fortunate 274 00:14:14.730 --> 00:14:17.970 to have that book published and be able to read that 275 00:14:17.970 --> 00:14:21.400 because that defined the women's generation. 276 00:14:21.400 --> 00:14:25.450 I mean, the most important thing about that period 277 00:14:25.450 --> 00:14:27.610 was that that was with the advent of the pill 278 00:14:27.610 --> 00:14:29.567 and the pill changed our lives. 279 00:14:29.567 --> 00:14:33.420 You know, with the pill became economic power, 280 00:14:33.420 --> 00:14:38.100 and that's the only way that women can be liberated, 281 00:14:38.100 --> 00:14:40.720 you know, it's through having economic power, 282 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:42.850 the only way you can get economic power 283 00:14:42.850 --> 00:14:45.070 is by controlling and reproductive rights. 284 00:14:45.070 --> 00:14:49.910 So it was a really fantastic time to be there. 285 00:14:49.910 --> 00:14:53.040 Yes, so, I mean, just working in, 286 00:14:53.040 --> 00:14:56.825 just living in Brisbane in the '70s, frankly was, 287 00:14:56.825 --> 00:15:00.172 you know, it was very, very edgy most of the time, 288 00:15:00.172 --> 00:15:05.172 because the Joh Bjelke-Petersen government, 289 00:15:05.180 --> 00:15:06.940 but it was the corruption of the place, 290 00:15:06.940 --> 00:15:08.880 and they were terribly corrupt. 291 00:15:08.880 --> 00:15:11.440 And you know, the Fitzgerald Inquiry 292 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.900 expose all of that eventually. 293 00:15:13.900 --> 00:15:18.250 But for years and years and years of damage, 294 00:15:18.250 --> 00:15:21.530 but I was demonstrating regularly and worked 295 00:15:21.530 --> 00:15:24.140 in political theatre, the public theatre troupe 296 00:15:24.140 --> 00:15:29.140 in the '70s, and of course then moved into punk music, 297 00:15:29.180 --> 00:15:32.130 because it was political and play drums. 298 00:15:32.130 --> 00:15:35.750 But, you know, I had my drums confiscated for three months 299 00:15:35.750 --> 00:15:38.170 at a pro-choice rally. 300 00:15:38.170 --> 00:15:39.688 We used to go and do street theatre 301 00:15:39.688 --> 00:15:41.550 all the timing at the rallies. 302 00:15:41.550 --> 00:15:44.810 I was arrested for stealing a cops watch 303 00:15:44.810 --> 00:15:48.085 when all it had dropped on the ground and picked it up. 304 00:15:48.085 --> 00:15:52.409 You know, it was a strange edgy time. 305 00:15:52.409 --> 00:15:57.409 And in the end, you know, in the end, 306 00:15:58.210 --> 00:16:01.580 you just had to leave really, which is what I did. 307 00:16:01.580 --> 00:16:05.420 I mean, I went overseas in the mid '70s 308 00:16:05.420 --> 00:16:08.679 for a couple of years, came back and worked in theatre, 309 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.040 but it was always on the drums. 310 00:16:11.040 --> 00:16:16.040 And then joined the Go-Betweens and we went to Melbourne. 311 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.500 And that was about 1981. '81. 312 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:24.500 Yeah, so would have been just after the portrait was made. 313 00:16:24.844 --> 00:16:27.490 Yeah. Yeah. 314 00:16:27.490 --> 00:16:31.330 'Cause it's interesting, you know, not being an authority 315 00:16:31.330 --> 00:16:34.390 on this kind of area of history at all. 316 00:16:34.390 --> 00:16:36.760 I found it really interesting in sort of reading about it, 317 00:16:36.760 --> 00:16:38.450 that there seemed to have been this assumption 318 00:16:38.450 --> 00:16:42.000 that something like punk, it didn't have any place 319 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.460 in Australia at the time. 320 00:16:44.460 --> 00:16:47.100 So if you look at say, you know, 321 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:49.010 Britain and the Sex Pistols, 322 00:16:49.010 --> 00:16:50.450 there's this kind of assumption that, 323 00:16:50.450 --> 00:16:52.330 oh, you know, there was stature in Britain 324 00:16:52.330 --> 00:16:54.820 and it was gloomy and there was economic depression, 325 00:16:54.820 --> 00:16:55.810 and all of that sort of stuff, 326 00:16:55.810 --> 00:16:57.297 and therefore punk sort of, 327 00:16:57.297 --> 00:17:00.570 was it a kind of a natural reaction to it. 328 00:17:00.570 --> 00:17:03.210 Whereas there's this sort of seems 329 00:17:03.210 --> 00:17:05.480 to have been this idea among people 330 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:07.220 who've written about this stuff previously 331 00:17:07.220 --> 00:17:08.950 that wasn't the case in Australia. 332 00:17:08.950 --> 00:17:10.438 It was like, you know, 333 00:17:10.438 --> 00:17:12.228 we didn't have that sort of stuff to worry about. 334 00:17:12.228 --> 00:17:13.061 And then if things got too gloomy, 335 00:17:13.061 --> 00:17:14.420 we could just go to the beach. 336 00:17:14.420 --> 00:17:17.490 And whereas to me, sort of looking back on it 337 00:17:17.490 --> 00:17:20.121 and certainly hearing you speak, it's like 338 00:17:20.121 --> 00:17:25.121 the politics of kind of what was going on at the time, 339 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.900 there was just as much kind of impetus for, you know, 340 00:17:29.900 --> 00:17:33.446 rebellion as there was anywhere else. 341 00:17:33.446 --> 00:17:35.160 And it's interesting actually, 342 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.050 that's coming across search as sort of reading through 343 00:17:38.050 --> 00:17:40.530 some notes before having this conversation 344 00:17:40.530 --> 00:17:44.520 with you this morning, coming across a quote from Ed Cooper, 345 00:17:44.520 --> 00:17:46.910 I think who was talking about how, yeah, you know, 346 00:17:46.910 --> 00:17:50.233 Brisbane wasn't great in some ways, you were really kind of, 347 00:17:50.233 --> 00:17:54.340 you know, on the back foot in certain respects, 348 00:17:54.340 --> 00:17:57.059 but in a lot of ways that kind of isolation 349 00:17:57.059 --> 00:17:59.850 really makes you, you know, get up and do something. 350 00:17:59.850 --> 00:18:00.910 If you want something to change, 351 00:18:00.910 --> 00:18:01.960 you have to change it yourself. 352 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:02.960 If you want something to happen, 353 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:04.960 you have to make it happen yourself. 354 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.857 So was that you're kind of recollection? 355 00:18:07.857 --> 00:18:10.080 Absolutely, you have to remember 356 00:18:10.080 --> 00:18:12.675 the that he wrote "Brisbane Security City," 357 00:18:12.675 --> 00:18:16.798 you know, one of the great songs, 358 00:18:16.798 --> 00:18:19.555 not that the scientists ever thought that they were punk, 359 00:18:19.555 --> 00:18:22.730 they weren't really, they were just really great rock band. 360 00:18:22.730 --> 00:18:23.632 Yeah. 361 00:18:23.632 --> 00:18:27.920 But there were lots of punk bands, you know, 362 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:30.210 there really were, "Razor" was one of them 363 00:18:30.210 --> 00:18:31.697 and lots of really great, 364 00:18:31.697 --> 00:18:34.486 you know, anti-establishment songs, 365 00:18:34.486 --> 00:18:39.486 you know, furious, angry songs by lots of these bands. 366 00:18:39.490 --> 00:18:44.490 And it was a great time for the counter-culture, 367 00:18:44.675 --> 00:18:49.675 it was a great time for theatre people 368 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.454 and painters and photographers and hairdressers 369 00:18:54.454 --> 00:18:59.320 and everyone, musicians were all hanging out together. 370 00:18:59.320 --> 00:19:02.040 And we all had one thing in mind, 371 00:19:02.040 --> 00:19:05.120 and that was to keep the shows going, 372 00:19:05.120 --> 00:19:07.900 and to ride out the police. 373 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:12.900 But at the same time, marching for, you know, 374 00:19:13.987 --> 00:19:18.987 for black rights for the Right to March, 375 00:19:19.478 --> 00:19:23.459 you know, Andy Rainium, you know, 376 00:19:23.459 --> 00:19:28.459 it was an amazing time really. 377 00:19:30.887 --> 00:19:32.820 It was a pretty weird time. 378 00:19:32.820 --> 00:19:36.200 I grew up in Brisbane at that time, 379 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.080 going to university from '82, 380 00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:40.403 and the police were just ever present. 381 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:45.740 And any of those Right to March marches, 382 00:19:45.740 --> 00:19:48.670 the police presence was overwhelming. 383 00:19:48.670 --> 00:19:51.308 And after you left in '82, 384 00:19:51.308 --> 00:19:56.308 the Commonwealth games land rights protests, 385 00:19:56.330 --> 00:19:59.370 the police brought from all over Queensland 386 00:19:59.370 --> 00:20:02.320 and, you know, busting, it was really scary. 387 00:20:02.320 --> 00:20:04.100 I noticed we had a comment from Matt Morrison, 388 00:20:04.100 --> 00:20:06.480 who might've also grown up in Brisbane at the time, 389 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:09.720 he says, "The Joh Bjelke regime, protests, 390 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:14.720 hyperactive punk, art scene, do it yourself, music and art." 391 00:20:16.249 --> 00:20:19.050 That's perfect, that's absolutely perfect. 392 00:20:19.050 --> 00:20:20.863 Yeah. Yeah, who's that? 393 00:20:20.863 --> 00:20:22.590 That was Matt Morrison. 394 00:20:22.590 --> 00:20:24.180 Yeah, I know Matt. 395 00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:26.515 Hi, Matt, how are you going? 396 00:20:26.515 --> 00:20:30.740 Yeah, I mean, that's absolutely true, it was incredible. 397 00:20:30.740 --> 00:20:32.350 It was an incredible time. 398 00:20:32.350 --> 00:20:37.350 And, you know, they all through the '70s, 399 00:20:37.478 --> 00:20:42.470 Brisbane was really great artistically, really was, 400 00:20:42.470 --> 00:20:44.790 you have the poster makers as well. 401 00:20:44.790 --> 00:20:46.160 You know, like things like that, 402 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:48.684 the people with great posters, you know, 403 00:20:48.684 --> 00:20:50.647 all of that was really great. 404 00:20:50.647 --> 00:20:55.110 And the student union always, you know, 405 00:20:55.110 --> 00:20:58.640 rebel rousing and supporting the university groups 406 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.798 to get involved, and Triple Zed would have had quite work 407 00:21:01.798 --> 00:21:04.460 to with the fomenting of dissent. 408 00:21:04.460 --> 00:21:06.020 I really should have mentioned Triple Zed, 409 00:21:06.020 --> 00:21:08.280 it changed everything frankly. 410 00:21:08.280 --> 00:21:11.190 You know, getting out on community radio station 411 00:21:11.190 --> 00:21:14.480 and that push for descent, 412 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:18.430 but also the push for the Australian music, 413 00:21:18.430 --> 00:21:21.300 playing Australian and in particular Brisbane music 414 00:21:21.300 --> 00:21:23.720 really, really did make a big difference 415 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:25.570 to our music culture. 416 00:21:25.570 --> 00:21:28.250 I think the Triple Zed prides itself on being 417 00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:31.220 the first radio station to ever broadcast The Angels, 418 00:21:31.220 --> 00:21:32.290 was it The Angels? 419 00:21:32.290 --> 00:21:33.123 No, the Saints, sorry. The Saints, yeah. 420 00:21:33.123 --> 00:21:36.600 All right, okay, that would be right. 421 00:21:36.600 --> 00:21:38.149 I'm pretty sure that'd be right. 422 00:21:38.149 --> 00:21:40.510 (Jo laughing) 423 00:21:40.510 --> 00:21:44.490 And so how is, you said you started off 424 00:21:44.490 --> 00:21:46.860 in like doing street theatre, 425 00:21:46.860 --> 00:21:51.860 how did that sort of morphed into a music career? 426 00:21:52.070 --> 00:21:53.480 I was actually. Was it conscious 427 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:55.073 kind of thing? 428 00:21:55.073 --> 00:21:56.486 I was playing music beforehand. 429 00:21:56.486 --> 00:22:01.040 In 1973, I lived, in '74, I lived in an extraordinary house 430 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:06.040 with Geoffrey Rush, Billy Brown, a guy called Stuart Match, 431 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.080 another actor called Trevor Stewart, 432 00:22:08.080 --> 00:22:10.280 I've got a musician called Frank Millwood. 433 00:22:10.280 --> 00:22:13.350 You know, these are all Brisbane names that everybody knows. 434 00:22:13.350 --> 00:22:18.103 And Robyn Stacey lived in that house 435 00:22:18.103 --> 00:22:19.391 all the time, so Robyn Stacey. 436 00:22:19.391 --> 00:22:24.391 It was an incredible house for '73,'74 437 00:22:26.280 --> 00:22:29.457 and there was a music room there, 438 00:22:29.457 --> 00:22:33.310 I just moved on to the drums, and then we all went overseas, 439 00:22:33.310 --> 00:22:37.013 you know, Geoffrey went to DeCroux and Trevor went to, 440 00:22:40.434 --> 00:22:41.900 you know, Trevor went to DeCroux 441 00:22:41.900 --> 00:22:44.910 and Geoffrey went to the other one, mime artist, 442 00:22:44.910 --> 00:22:46.335 it's name I forget now. 443 00:22:46.335 --> 00:22:50.883 And Billy went to Shakespearean company, you know. 444 00:22:54.207 --> 00:22:55.470 And when I came back from overseas, 445 00:22:55.470 --> 00:22:59.120 I went straight into theatre and worked 446 00:22:59.120 --> 00:23:01.780 in The Popular Theatre Troupe, 447 00:23:01.780 --> 00:23:05.530 which was a really very political theatre, 448 00:23:05.530 --> 00:23:08.090 run by a guy called Richard Fotheringham. 449 00:23:08.090 --> 00:23:10.780 And then I also worked in Brian Nason 450 00:23:10.780 --> 00:23:12.980 and Brian Nason is like an institution. 451 00:23:12.980 --> 00:23:15.987 He put on Shakespeare off the back of trucks in Australia, 452 00:23:17.311 --> 00:23:20.527 and it also had a political bend in a way. 453 00:23:21.820 --> 00:23:22.860 So I worked in theatre 454 00:23:22.860 --> 00:23:25.478 and I was always trying to put drums into shows. 455 00:23:25.478 --> 00:23:30.430 And then I went to an audition 456 00:23:30.430 --> 00:23:34.890 in Melbourne for the Pram Factory, because I thought 457 00:23:34.890 --> 00:23:38.320 I wanted to be an actor and work in a proper theatre, 458 00:23:38.320 --> 00:23:40.428 but Melbourne didn't work for me. 459 00:23:40.428 --> 00:23:44.990 I got into the thing, but even the very day they told me 460 00:23:44.990 --> 00:23:49.119 I couldn't come to terms with Melbourne, 461 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:53.520 it seems so bland after Brisbane. 462 00:23:53.520 --> 00:23:54.500 Yeah. 463 00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:56.513 I guess you we'd. That got so interesting 464 00:23:56.513 --> 00:23:57.930 because the conception 465 00:23:57.930 --> 00:24:01.450 that a lot of other people would have would be the reverse 466 00:24:01.450 --> 00:24:03.550 that, you know, Brisbane was the sort of backwater 467 00:24:03.550 --> 00:24:05.380 and Melbourne was the, you know. 468 00:24:05.380 --> 00:24:07.754 I guess, I think I got addicted to the fight. 469 00:24:07.754 --> 00:24:08.587 (laughs) Yeah. No, I mean it, 470 00:24:08.587 --> 00:24:12.670 I think I got addicted to the fight, and I just say, 471 00:24:12.670 --> 00:24:14.347 I made my mind up that day, I just said, 472 00:24:14.347 --> 00:24:17.310 "That's it, I'm just gonna concentrate on drums." 473 00:24:17.310 --> 00:24:22.310 And I went back and shortly after I joined up 474 00:24:23.270 --> 00:24:25.869 with this punk go band Zero, 475 00:24:25.869 --> 00:24:28.570 and we had the most fabulous time, 476 00:24:28.570 --> 00:24:31.944 and we're very, very active, 477 00:24:31.944 --> 00:24:35.060 very active politically all the time. 478 00:24:35.060 --> 00:24:39.560 And eventually I got sucked into the Go-Betweens. 479 00:24:39.560 --> 00:24:43.083 Yeah, could you explain that sort of sucking in process? 480 00:24:43.083 --> 00:24:45.070 (Lindy laughing) 481 00:24:45.070 --> 00:24:48.680 Well, I suppose, you know, I really I kind of fell, 482 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.387 I guess I fell in love with Robert, 483 00:24:51.387 --> 00:24:53.790 and I fell in love with their music. 484 00:24:53.790 --> 00:24:58.520 You know, to see those two young men, you know, 485 00:24:58.520 --> 00:25:02.382 in this Spring Hill apartment that Grant lived in, 486 00:25:02.382 --> 00:25:04.600 they used to play acoustic guitar together all the time 487 00:25:04.600 --> 00:25:07.690 over and over and over again, and to go in there, 488 00:25:07.690 --> 00:25:12.690 and beautiful, rich brown, polished wooden floors 489 00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:16.990 and really old Spring Hill apartment. 490 00:25:16.990 --> 00:25:18.850 And the two boys would be sitting there 491 00:25:18.850 --> 00:25:20.580 and playing that beautiful music. 492 00:25:20.580 --> 00:25:25.580 And I just loved it, and they were so ambitious, 493 00:25:26.360 --> 00:25:29.090 and I tell you, all I want to do is get out of town, 494 00:25:29.090 --> 00:25:31.770 I was so tired of it, I was so tired. 495 00:25:31.770 --> 00:25:33.780 And I was older than everybody, I was seven years older, 496 00:25:33.780 --> 00:25:37.100 I'd lived a life, you know, and I just wanted to get out, 497 00:25:37.100 --> 00:25:40.974 and they took me out. 498 00:25:40.974 --> 00:25:45.499 You know, I joined with them, so, you know, as his song, 499 00:25:45.499 --> 00:25:49.810 people says, so pack your bags and your drums, 500 00:25:49.810 --> 00:25:52.310 and I'm gonna take you to the kingdom comes 501 00:25:52.310 --> 00:25:54.620 and he certainly did that. 502 00:25:54.620 --> 00:25:57.360 Yeah, and it's really, you know, 503 00:25:57.360 --> 00:26:01.600 this is me kind of absorbing everything 504 00:26:01.600 --> 00:26:05.150 that I've been reading about this period, I suppose too, 505 00:26:05.150 --> 00:26:07.170 and in looking into this exhibition, 506 00:26:07.170 --> 00:26:10.560 it's really interesting to me that bands 507 00:26:10.560 --> 00:26:12.420 like the Go-Betweens was seemingly 508 00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:15.910 kind of overwhelmed by the really sort of blokey, 509 00:26:15.910 --> 00:26:17.582 you know, hard rock, 510 00:26:17.582 --> 00:26:20.059 the much more sort 511 00:26:20.059 --> 00:26:24.710 of deliberately provocative kind of bands. 512 00:26:24.710 --> 00:26:28.010 Like I'm thinking here, for example of, say Skyhooks, 513 00:26:28.010 --> 00:26:31.230 you know, and the first album that they ever released. 514 00:26:31.230 --> 00:26:33.260 There was like five or six songs from it 515 00:26:33.260 --> 00:26:35.110 that were banned from commercial radio, 516 00:26:35.110 --> 00:26:37.540 'cause it was all about sex and drugs and rock and roll. 517 00:26:37.540 --> 00:26:40.630 Whereas the first song that Grant and Robert recorded 518 00:26:40.630 --> 00:26:42.699 was a song about a librarian. 519 00:26:42.699 --> 00:26:43.790 (both laughing) 520 00:26:43.790 --> 00:26:48.450 The b-side was about Lee Remmick. 521 00:26:48.450 --> 00:26:49.283 Yeah. 522 00:26:49.283 --> 00:26:52.320 So, you know, it's. And the second single 523 00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:54.510 was "People say, I'm mad to love you." 524 00:26:54.510 --> 00:26:55.343 (both laughing) 525 00:26:55.343 --> 00:26:57.700 Really, that's right. 526 00:26:57.700 --> 00:26:58.990 I never thought about that before, 527 00:26:58.990 --> 00:27:00.170 that's a really good point. 528 00:27:00.170 --> 00:27:01.680 It's just these really. 529 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.570 No wonder I fell in love with them, like seriously, 530 00:27:04.570 --> 00:27:07.287 you know, because they were so fey, f-e-y, 531 00:27:07.287 --> 00:27:12.287 and so incredibly feminine, and, you know, 532 00:27:14.009 --> 00:27:18.330 the men I'd known before, people like Geoffrey and Billy 533 00:27:18.330 --> 00:27:23.330 and all those actors, they were beautiful fey men too, 534 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:27.191 you know, and you get drawn to men like that. 535 00:27:27.191 --> 00:27:32.191 They're the men that suck me in, always have been, 536 00:27:33.481 --> 00:27:36.400 and, you know, I guess I was sucked in. 537 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:39.413 Yeah, and then almost as if it seems as if 538 00:27:39.413 --> 00:27:42.491 a lot of those more fey bands, shall we say, 539 00:27:42.491 --> 00:27:44.560 you had to like go to London 540 00:27:44.560 --> 00:27:47.620 or go to New York or somewhere else to be taken seriously. 541 00:27:47.620 --> 00:27:49.230 Could you sort of talk maybe a little bit 542 00:27:49.230 --> 00:27:51.920 about that sort of first, that leaping, 543 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:53.590 that getting away from Brisbane 544 00:27:53.590 --> 00:27:56.684 and how it was when you're in London? 545 00:27:56.684 --> 00:27:58.633 Oh, God, well, the first thing was, 546 00:27:58.633 --> 00:28:02.490 that Missing Links was the Boys Next Door label, 547 00:28:02.490 --> 00:28:06.100 and they have that ever happened is totally beyond me, 548 00:28:06.100 --> 00:28:10.860 but, you know, Keith from, I've just forgotten 549 00:28:10.860 --> 00:28:14.100 his second name, if anyone can remember Keith's second name 550 00:28:14.100 --> 00:28:15.771 in there, that would be good. 551 00:28:15.771 --> 00:28:16.604 (Jo laughing) 552 00:28:16.604 --> 00:28:18.770 Keith invited us to be on the label 553 00:28:18.770 --> 00:28:21.090 and pay for that first album, 554 00:28:21.090 --> 00:28:23.107 and we went to Melbourne to live. 555 00:28:23.107 --> 00:28:27.490 And then after that first album, 556 00:28:27.490 --> 00:28:30.640 rough trade, so they wanted to, so we went to London, 557 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.240 but you know, all the bands, you know, 558 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.980 the mood was with Claire more on drums, you know, 559 00:28:36.980 --> 00:28:39.976 and, well, of course there was 560 00:28:39.976 --> 00:28:42.630 another female drummer, Kathy Green. 561 00:28:42.630 --> 00:28:44.350 She was with X where you could hardly say 562 00:28:44.350 --> 00:28:47.127 that they were feminine they were not, 563 00:28:47.127 --> 00:28:49.593 but Kathy Green certainly was. 564 00:28:53.845 --> 00:28:56.520 But the fey bands all went overseas. 565 00:28:56.520 --> 00:29:01.100 I mean, Laughing Clowns, you know, The Triffids, 566 00:29:01.100 --> 00:29:05.693 The Moodists, we were such a great strong gang. 567 00:29:11.750 --> 00:29:13.619 It really, we were completely the 'other'. 568 00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:16.415 We were the other to what was in Australia at the time. 569 00:29:16.415 --> 00:29:20.061 I just brought up that image from the other wall. 570 00:29:20.061 --> 00:29:20.942 Oh, yeah. 571 00:29:20.942 --> 00:29:21.950 Oh, yeah. 572 00:29:21.950 --> 00:29:22.783 I love that. 573 00:29:24.410 --> 00:29:26.318 Can you tell us a bit about that? 574 00:29:26.318 --> 00:29:28.177 I love the fact that Robert is wearing 575 00:29:28.177 --> 00:29:30.468 that kind of midriff top. 576 00:29:30.468 --> 00:29:35.462 That was during Robert's Prince period. 577 00:29:35.462 --> 00:29:40.462 And so he really loved Prince and he, 578 00:29:43.410 --> 00:29:47.295 so that was '86, '87 because Amanda's in the band, 579 00:29:47.295 --> 00:29:51.120 and so Robert and I would have broken up by then. 580 00:29:51.120 --> 00:29:52.055 By this stage. 581 00:29:52.055 --> 00:29:55.300 And when we broke up Robert 582 00:29:55.300 --> 00:29:57.110 went through a very wild period, 583 00:29:57.110 --> 00:29:59.339 which, you know, was very good for him. 584 00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:02.672 (Jo and Lindy laughing) 585 00:30:03.674 --> 00:30:06.480 And so he was going through that, but we would just look, 586 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.720 I always loved the photo session, so I'm not the same now, 587 00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.959 I find them unbelievably arduous. 588 00:30:11.959 --> 00:30:16.959 But I used to love them and we used to play up, 589 00:30:17.620 --> 00:30:22.570 and I mean, one of the things I guess to be frank, 590 00:30:22.570 --> 00:30:25.290 you know, we always look good in photos 591 00:30:25.290 --> 00:30:26.554 because we were young. 592 00:30:26.554 --> 00:30:27.387 (both laughing) 593 00:30:27.387 --> 00:30:29.440 Maybe that's why I love them, 594 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:31.533 because you always knew you were gonna look good. 595 00:30:31.533 --> 00:30:35.717 And, yeah, I, I can't remember much more, 596 00:30:35.717 --> 00:30:39.820 I know Warrick Orme took that, I can't remember much more. 597 00:30:39.820 --> 00:30:42.440 You know, Bleddyn Butcher took quite a few, 598 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.261 you've got his, I think that's his there, 599 00:30:45.261 --> 00:30:50.261 of Dave sorry, from the Triffids. 600 00:30:50.430 --> 00:30:52.360 Yeah, and we've got some of his photos, 601 00:30:52.360 --> 00:30:53.830 actually photo of Claire Moore and Dave Graney 602 00:30:53.830 --> 00:30:58.830 and some of his photos of Boys Next Door too. 603 00:30:59.150 --> 00:31:01.960 Of course, yeah, I mean, Bleddyn was always around 604 00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:03.630 and he was such a great photographer. 605 00:31:03.630 --> 00:31:07.130 And I have to say, he's got a whole series of me. 606 00:31:07.130 --> 00:31:11.210 I did a whole Christine Keeler kind of thing with. 607 00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:12.080 Oh, wow. 608 00:31:12.080 --> 00:31:15.690 Yeah, but after he had taken them, I said, 609 00:31:15.690 --> 00:31:18.400 I told him, "You can never use these," 610 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.977 but then of course, now that I'm older, I said, 611 00:31:19.977 --> 00:31:20.810 "Oh, you can use them." 612 00:31:20.810 --> 00:31:22.883 But he's never, ever used them. 613 00:31:22.883 --> 00:31:25.330 (both laughing) 614 00:31:25.330 --> 00:31:28.390 And now I wish he would, they really out there actually, 615 00:31:28.390 --> 00:31:29.756 they're fairly wild. 616 00:31:29.756 --> 00:31:31.090 (Jo laughing) 617 00:31:31.090 --> 00:31:34.684 But Bleddyn was always around and always taking photos. 618 00:31:34.684 --> 00:31:39.684 That was overseas, and he did so much work, 619 00:31:40.350 --> 00:31:43.860 and, you know, it's extraordinary, 620 00:31:43.860 --> 00:31:47.800 but I missed out on people because I was overseas, 621 00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:50.890 we were overseas for a good seven, eight years, 622 00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:52.090 and only came back. 623 00:31:52.090 --> 00:31:55.210 I missed out on all the photographers in Australia, 624 00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:56.920 and I've only caught up with them. 625 00:31:56.920 --> 00:31:59.680 You know, I'm aware that Bob King is everywhere, 626 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.313 everywhere I go, I run into Bob King, and I know who he is. 627 00:32:04.167 --> 00:32:07.450 And I saw a photograph from 1977 here, 1977? 628 00:32:07.450 --> 00:32:08.940 We've actually got some photos, 629 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:12.800 I think, from '64 of the AC beats that Bob took. 630 00:32:12.800 --> 00:32:14.067 So he must've been like. 631 00:32:14.067 --> 00:32:16.135 And he is still working. 632 00:32:16.135 --> 00:32:17.108 Yeah, yeah. 633 00:32:17.108 --> 00:32:21.090 My very favourite photographer is Tony Mott 634 00:32:21.090 --> 00:32:22.983 just because he's so crazy. 635 00:32:22.983 --> 00:32:25.307 And I always say to him, you know, 636 00:32:25.307 --> 00:32:27.970 "Just take another photograph of me when I look bad," 637 00:32:27.970 --> 00:32:31.187 you know, because every photo, and he said, 638 00:32:31.187 --> 00:32:34.196 "Well, I just take photograph of naturally Lindy." 639 00:32:34.196 --> 00:32:36.930 But he took a photograph of me recently 640 00:32:36.930 --> 00:32:39.970 when I got the Ted Albert Award at the ARPA Awards, 641 00:32:39.970 --> 00:32:42.206 since that wasn't recent it was about three years ago. 642 00:32:42.206 --> 00:32:45.730 The most beautiful photo, you see it all the time, 643 00:32:45.730 --> 00:32:50.336 it's all in gold, I'm on drums, and it's beautiful. 644 00:32:50.336 --> 00:32:54.920 I've got a bob and it's the most beautiful closeup 645 00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:55.753 you've ever seen. 646 00:32:55.753 --> 00:32:58.647 So finally he took a really great photo of me 647 00:32:58.647 --> 00:33:03.140 and that wasn't natural (both laughing) where I look good. 648 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:09.640 And so that's yeah, but who's not in the exhibition 649 00:33:10.340 --> 00:33:13.025 is my very, very dear friend, Robyn Stacey, 650 00:33:13.025 --> 00:33:14.964 who's a photographer as well. 651 00:33:14.964 --> 00:33:17.940 But that's because she has never, ever unpacked 652 00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:22.487 all the band photos she took from, I would say, 1976, '77 653 00:33:24.850 --> 00:33:29.012 through to 1980 when she started getting arty. 654 00:33:29.012 --> 00:33:30.440 (both laughing) 655 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.500 And she's now an art photographer, 656 00:33:33.500 --> 00:33:35.090 if that's what you call photographers who are art photographers 657 00:33:35.090 --> 00:33:40.090 And yeah, she's took some beautiful photos of me, 658 00:33:42.850 --> 00:33:46.650 and the one that you, again, when you see all the time 659 00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:50.100 is me in '79 in little cutoff denim shorts, 660 00:33:50.100 --> 00:33:52.357 it's a view of me where she's looking up at me like that, 661 00:33:52.357 --> 00:33:53.870 and it's black and white, 662 00:33:53.870 --> 00:33:57.108 it's the most stunning photograph of a woman playing drums, 663 00:33:57.108 --> 00:34:02.108 you know, yeah, there are some of my stories 664 00:34:02.450 --> 00:34:03.603 from the photographers. 665 00:34:04.450 --> 00:34:06.120 And you've obviously just sort of 666 00:34:06.120 --> 00:34:09.060 in the course of the conversation, 667 00:34:09.060 --> 00:34:11.910 you've mentioned a lot of performance 668 00:34:11.910 --> 00:34:14.770 who are represented in the exhibition 669 00:34:14.770 --> 00:34:16.140 as well that you've worked with. 670 00:34:16.140 --> 00:34:17.410 Do you want to tell us about 671 00:34:17.410 --> 00:34:19.930 some of those I'm really fascinated to know about, 672 00:34:19.930 --> 00:34:23.900 for example, the time in London when Nick Cave 673 00:34:23.900 --> 00:34:27.080 was sharing a house with you guys, is that right? 674 00:34:27.080 --> 00:34:30.490 Yeah, he was sharing a house with us in London. 675 00:34:30.490 --> 00:34:34.853 You know, it's well documented that Nick and, 676 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.874 a number of, you know, he would have been, 677 00:34:38.874 --> 00:34:43.290 Tracy Pew was living there, Tracy Pew's partner. 678 00:34:43.290 --> 00:34:44.870 I think Nick, did Nick have 679 00:34:44.870 --> 00:34:46.280 a partner living there at the time? 680 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:47.330 I don't know. 681 00:34:47.330 --> 00:34:50.870 But other people would come and stay, 682 00:34:50.870 --> 00:34:55.342 well, it was a fairly dynamic house, 683 00:34:55.342 --> 00:35:00.342 and I would say it was it was very exciting, it was edgy, 684 00:35:02.750 --> 00:35:05.707 is an understatement. Understatement. 685 00:35:06.600 --> 00:35:11.600 And the story goes, I'm not gonna tell all the stories, 686 00:35:13.454 --> 00:35:18.454 you know, you know, Tracy Thorne has a book coming out 687 00:35:18.740 --> 00:35:20.370 on May called "My Rock and Roll Friend" 688 00:35:20.370 --> 00:35:22.090 there is a story of that if you wanna read that. 689 00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:25.603 But, you know, Grant did throw Nick out. 690 00:35:25.603 --> 00:35:26.436 Oh! 691 00:35:26.436 --> 00:35:30.140 Yeah, and Nick has never forgave Grant for doing that. 692 00:35:30.140 --> 00:35:32.173 And it was always my kind of favourite story 693 00:35:32.173 --> 00:35:34.690 that Grant of old people, you know, 694 00:35:34.690 --> 00:35:38.787 Mr. Absolutely charming and you very well mannered man, 695 00:35:38.787 --> 00:35:43.350 would perfect impeccable manners in the end, 696 00:35:43.350 --> 00:35:45.955 took it on himself to throw Nick out. 697 00:35:45.955 --> 00:35:48.622 (both laughing) 698 00:35:51.040 --> 00:35:54.614 Yeah, it was a wild house. 699 00:35:54.614 --> 00:35:56.090 Yeah. 700 00:35:56.090 --> 00:35:58.595 Yeah, obviously I'm the who ever did the cleaning. 701 00:35:58.595 --> 00:36:01.262 (both laughing) 702 00:36:03.459 --> 00:36:04.758 So the same old domestic roles. 703 00:36:04.758 --> 00:36:09.758 We have a comment from, let me see, from Craig, 704 00:36:10.610 --> 00:36:14.230 who says he remembers seeing the three piece Go-Betweens 705 00:36:14.230 --> 00:36:17.420 at the and bull in Civic here in Canberra. 706 00:36:17.420 --> 00:36:21.020 And Lindy helped me let some punks in free 707 00:36:21.020 --> 00:36:22.610 through the back door. 708 00:36:22.610 --> 00:36:24.270 Does that sound like something you would do? 709 00:36:24.270 --> 00:36:26.823 Yes, of course, I would have let them in. 710 00:36:28.406 --> 00:36:33.020 I actually remember coming to Canberra at that period, 711 00:36:33.020 --> 00:36:36.150 and I mean, it, it really was always exciting 712 00:36:36.150 --> 00:36:36.983 to come to Canberra. 713 00:36:36.983 --> 00:36:40.963 I have to say, Canberra really used to have 714 00:36:40.963 --> 00:36:45.950 a lot of drugs around, there were always tonnes and tonnes 715 00:36:45.950 --> 00:36:49.846 of drugs, I don't know if that person comment on that, 716 00:36:49.846 --> 00:36:52.310 (Lindy and Jo laughing) 717 00:36:52.310 --> 00:36:55.923 But Canberra was kind of known for the back stage, 718 00:36:56.910 --> 00:36:58.840 or if you're playing at the university, 719 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.027 the tables outside the. 720 00:37:02.048 --> 00:37:03.222 Behind new bar. Yeah. 721 00:37:03.222 --> 00:37:05.222 There are always lots of people dealing. 722 00:37:06.820 --> 00:37:08.400 It's probably not like that now, 723 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.330 we hope it's not like that now. 724 00:37:10.330 --> 00:37:14.160 And, but we always had so much fun coming to Canberra, 725 00:37:14.160 --> 00:37:18.150 I absolutely loved coming to Canberra still do, yep. 726 00:37:18.150 --> 00:37:21.315 Yeah, that's a really interesting observation because 727 00:37:21.315 --> 00:37:23.580 that's one of the things, then another thing 728 00:37:23.580 --> 00:37:26.160 that we wanted to do with the exhibition 729 00:37:26.160 --> 00:37:29.550 was really demonstrate that Canberra has this history, 730 00:37:29.550 --> 00:37:31.630 because a lot of people who don't live in Canberra 731 00:37:31.630 --> 00:37:33.360 just think of it as a place that's full of, you know, 732 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.070 politicians and public servants, and that it was, you know, 733 00:37:37.070 --> 00:37:40.630 kind of ends field, particularly in the '70s and '80s, 734 00:37:40.630 --> 00:37:43.360 the sort of place that, the only gigs that happened 735 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:44.850 were gigs that happened because bands 736 00:37:44.850 --> 00:37:47.120 were sort of stopping here on their way 737 00:37:47.120 --> 00:37:48.960 between Sydney and Melbourne. 738 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.190 So it's got, you know, 739 00:37:50.190 --> 00:37:52.870 there's all of these kinds of negative connotations 740 00:37:52.870 --> 00:37:54.050 about Canberra, I guess. 741 00:37:54.050 --> 00:37:57.610 You had Gutthega pipeline. Gutthega pipeline, 742 00:37:57.610 --> 00:37:59.370 all of which are documented, 743 00:37:59.370 --> 00:38:01.200 you can't see them because 744 00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:02.033 they are off-camera. Are The Numbers from here? 745 00:38:02.033 --> 00:38:03.640 Are The Numbers from here? 746 00:38:03.640 --> 00:38:05.230 Yes, The Numbers are from here. I remember Gutthega 747 00:38:05.230 --> 00:38:08.023 Pipeline where we played with them. 748 00:38:08.023 --> 00:38:10.109 They were the most beautiful boys. 749 00:38:10.109 --> 00:38:12.860 They really were, I loved them. 750 00:38:12.860 --> 00:38:15.920 I mean, Steve Kilbey. That's right, Steve. 751 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.885 They lived in Canberra. And people like Midnight Oil 752 00:38:17.885 --> 00:38:22.230 they kind of started out when Peter Garrett 753 00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:24.752 was a law student at ANU, you know, 754 00:38:24.752 --> 00:38:27.570 so it does have this real history, 755 00:38:27.570 --> 00:38:29.320 which we've managed to sort of capture 756 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.922 in the exhibition with all of these photographs 757 00:38:31.922 --> 00:38:34.540 by a man named well his photographer name was 'pling 758 00:38:34.540 --> 00:38:38.230 Kevin Prideaux, who was sort of public servant by day, 759 00:38:38.230 --> 00:38:39.510 edgy photographer by night, 760 00:38:39.510 --> 00:38:42.380 and he'd go around to all of these venues in Canberra, 761 00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:44.190 and document all of the bands, 762 00:38:44.190 --> 00:38:47.790 not just sort of locally grown bands like Gutthega Pipeline, 763 00:38:47.790 --> 00:38:49.090 but also the big name bands 764 00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:51.240 who were sort of stopping up here to do gigs at the ANU. 765 00:38:51.240 --> 00:38:52.270 We've got the whole wall 766 00:38:52.270 --> 00:38:54.750 of the things. Oh, you've got them on. 767 00:38:54.750 --> 00:38:55.730 Thanks Robert, yeah. 768 00:38:55.730 --> 00:38:57.340 Some on the other side as well. 769 00:38:57.340 --> 00:39:01.219 So it's a, I mean, and that's been a real eye opener 770 00:39:01.219 --> 00:39:02.370 to me, I'm not someone who's from Canberra, 771 00:39:02.370 --> 00:39:04.308 I didn't grow up here. 772 00:39:04.308 --> 00:39:07.700 And to know that there was this incredibly thriving scene 773 00:39:07.700 --> 00:39:11.760 has been, you know, that was like a real eye opener for me, 774 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.332 a really sort of great discovery. 775 00:39:13.332 --> 00:39:15.671 And then to hear it sort of backed up. 776 00:39:15.671 --> 00:39:17.045 Yeah, yeah. 777 00:39:17.045 --> 00:39:18.640 Yeah, fantastic. 778 00:39:18.640 --> 00:39:22.007 Yeah, I actually did a tour to Canberra with Zero. 779 00:39:22.007 --> 00:39:24.501 That's the band you were in? 780 00:39:24.501 --> 00:39:28.580 Yeah, we came and played in Canberra as well. 781 00:39:28.580 --> 00:39:32.963 And that was a trip to remember too. 782 00:39:32.963 --> 00:39:34.578 (both laughing) 783 00:39:34.578 --> 00:39:36.550 Someone put us up in their house 784 00:39:36.550 --> 00:39:39.702 and I managed to break the washing machine 785 00:39:39.702 --> 00:39:43.107 and the coffee percolator. 786 00:39:43.107 --> 00:39:45.870 (both laughing) 787 00:39:45.870 --> 00:39:48.368 A whole spread of appliances. 788 00:39:48.368 --> 00:39:49.933 (Jo and Lindy laughing) 789 00:39:49.933 --> 00:39:51.390 Robert has just given us the five minute warning. 790 00:39:51.390 --> 00:39:53.730 You've got five minutes, which is plenty of time 791 00:39:53.730 --> 00:39:55.180 to still address a few things. 792 00:39:55.180 --> 00:39:58.570 But I was just wondering how did Lindy get involved 793 00:39:58.570 --> 00:40:01.070 with Tracey Thorne from Everything About the Girl. 794 00:40:04.077 --> 00:40:06.125 That would that because I mentioned the book. 795 00:40:06.125 --> 00:40:07.264 Yes, perhaps. 796 00:40:07.264 --> 00:40:10.861 (Lindy and Jo laughing) 797 00:40:10.861 --> 00:40:14.900 Well, I mean, she's got it all in the book, 798 00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:19.900 but in the eighties, I walked into her dressing room 799 00:40:20.749 --> 00:40:23.700 when we were doing a gig together, 800 00:40:23.700 --> 00:40:26.800 she was the Marine Girls and I was in the Go-Betweens, 801 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:30.293 and I tell you, I have to be at two I guess, 802 00:40:31.885 --> 00:40:33.677 and asked to borrow her lipstick, 803 00:40:33.677 --> 00:40:36.922 and we became great friends, incredible friends, 804 00:40:36.922 --> 00:40:40.121 now that were very, very successful. 805 00:40:40.121 --> 00:40:45.121 And she and been able to organise 806 00:40:45.557 --> 00:40:49.844 all these fantastic old houses, 807 00:40:49.844 --> 00:40:51.460 where they would holiday, 808 00:40:51.460 --> 00:40:53.555 and I would have us to come and stay 809 00:40:53.555 --> 00:40:56.860 with them in the country. 810 00:40:56.860 --> 00:41:00.442 And they would have me to dinner regularly 811 00:41:00.442 --> 00:41:03.410 at their Hampstead place. 812 00:41:03.410 --> 00:41:06.930 And we became very, very good friends, 813 00:41:06.930 --> 00:41:09.850 and I have so many letters, 814 00:41:09.850 --> 00:41:13.250 she discovered I had all these letters from her, 815 00:41:13.250 --> 00:41:15.753 and she had kept a lot of mine. 816 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.400 And she wanted to readdress what she saw as a retailing 817 00:41:22.660 --> 00:41:25.446 and remaking of history about the Go-Betweens 818 00:41:25.446 --> 00:41:29.260 prior to the documentary 'Right Here', 819 00:41:29.260 --> 00:41:30.930 the story of the Go-Betweens coming out, 820 00:41:30.930 --> 00:41:34.246 where the Go-Betweens had become Robert and Grant, 821 00:41:34.246 --> 00:41:36.216 post our breakup. 822 00:41:36.216 --> 00:41:41.216 And that my participation was totally diminished, 823 00:41:44.230 --> 00:41:48.870 and she wanted to readdress that, yeah. 824 00:41:48.870 --> 00:41:51.002 And she wrote the book. 825 00:41:51.002 --> 00:41:53.820 I tell you what, there's lots of stuff in the book, 826 00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:56.810 it's an outrageous book in some respects, you know, 827 00:41:56.810 --> 00:41:59.380 she had my diary, she had all my letters, 828 00:41:59.380 --> 00:42:03.386 it's all primary sources and she went through interviews. 829 00:42:03.386 --> 00:42:06.455 So some of it's fairly shocking and, 830 00:42:06.455 --> 00:42:08.858 but you've just got to live with it. 831 00:42:08.858 --> 00:42:11.950 Yeah, have you ever thought about writing? 832 00:42:11.950 --> 00:42:13.978 I thought about it so often, 833 00:42:13.978 --> 00:42:16.450 you know, I've really thought about it a lot, 834 00:42:16.450 --> 00:42:20.790 and I just, well, one, I'm not sure I'm a writer, 835 00:42:20.790 --> 00:42:24.262 you know, you can't just say, "Oh, I'm gonna be a writer." 836 00:42:24.262 --> 00:42:29.262 I'm not sure I'm a writer, but it's so much work to do that, 837 00:42:31.370 --> 00:42:32.850 it really is a lot of work. 838 00:42:32.850 --> 00:42:35.473 And also I'm not sure about my memory. 839 00:42:37.114 --> 00:42:38.541 (both laughing) 840 00:42:38.541 --> 00:42:41.458 So I have to really think about it. 841 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:47.640 I mean, Tracy's book is her perspective on our friendship 842 00:42:47.640 --> 00:42:50.477 and her insights into what she thinks 843 00:42:50.477 --> 00:42:53.780 the music industry does to women, 844 00:42:53.780 --> 00:42:58.780 so it's with lots of really gritty stories in there, 845 00:42:59.541 --> 00:43:03.643 but it wouldn't be how I would write it. 846 00:43:07.386 --> 00:43:08.998 But I don't think or write one, 847 00:43:08.998 --> 00:43:13.145 I'll probably die before I write one. 848 00:43:13.145 --> 00:43:15.812 (both laughing) 849 00:43:17.306 --> 00:43:20.326 All right, well, I think we're almost there 850 00:43:20.326 --> 00:43:22.120 unless you got something to wrap up. 851 00:43:22.120 --> 00:43:25.722 No, just it's, I could probably keep talking all day. 852 00:43:25.722 --> 00:43:27.809 Yeah, we could probably keep talking all day. 853 00:43:27.809 --> 00:43:28.642 I know we could. 854 00:43:28.642 --> 00:43:32.190 But it's been really, it's so great that Lindy 855 00:43:32.190 --> 00:43:35.140 has been able to come here and see the exhibition, 856 00:43:35.140 --> 00:43:40.140 see the paintings again, see all of this and yeah, 857 00:43:40.270 --> 00:43:42.790 it's been great to meet you and great to chat. 858 00:43:42.790 --> 00:43:43.790 So thanks so much, Lindy. 859 00:43:43.790 --> 00:43:45.350 I wanna thank you for the invitation, 860 00:43:45.350 --> 00:43:48.250 I can't tell you how thrilled I was to have the invitation. 861 00:43:48.250 --> 00:43:51.057 It was right out of the blue and I just went, 862 00:43:51.057 --> 00:43:55.320 "Wow, that really is wild to be asked you to do this." 863 00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:56.153 Thank you so much. 864 00:43:56.153 --> 00:43:56.986 Yeah. 865 00:43:56.986 --> 00:43:58.100 And I should say, I'm sorry if I've just 866 00:43:58.100 --> 00:44:01.090 kind of glazed over, I am a massive fan. 867 00:44:01.090 --> 00:44:02.799 Oh, oh really? (Jo laughing) 868 00:44:02.799 --> 00:44:04.500 So if I've kind of totally lost my train of thought 869 00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:06.240 or I've just been sort of looking adoringly at you, 870 00:44:06.240 --> 00:44:08.997 it's because you're wonderful, and the Go-Betweens 871 00:44:08.997 --> 00:44:13.997 has sort of been the soundtrack of my youth, I suppose, 872 00:44:14.450 --> 00:44:17.270 and even more so that I've been working on this exhibition, 873 00:44:17.270 --> 00:44:20.453 it's been the soundtrack for the past 12 months for me, 874 00:44:20.453 --> 00:44:22.953 so thank you (laughs) Oh, right, wow, thank you. 875 00:44:24.196 --> 00:44:25.373 Thanks everyone. 876 00:44:27.910 --> 00:44:29.840 Thank you very much, Jo and Lindy, 877 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:34.113 that was fascinating going on a memory lane, walk down. 878 00:44:35.640 --> 00:44:36.890 Thanks for joining us today 879 00:44:36.890 --> 00:44:39.010 for our fortnightly conversation. 880 00:44:39.010 --> 00:44:41.790 Come back in another fortnight or so, 881 00:44:41.790 --> 00:44:44.470 check the detail under what's on 882 00:44:44.470 --> 00:44:46.610 on the National Portrait Gallery website, 883 00:44:46.610 --> 00:44:48.610 and you'll see all of our virtual programmes, 884 00:44:48.610 --> 00:44:51.610 and our programmes here on site. 885 00:44:51.610 --> 00:44:54.390 And we have a new exhibition opening very shortly as well, 886 00:44:54.390 --> 00:44:56.336 and you'll hear lots more about that. 887 00:44:56.336 --> 00:44:58.320 On Tuesday at 12:30 888 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:00.630 with our regular Virtual Highlights Tour, 889 00:45:00.630 --> 00:45:03.970 we have got style and substance, 890 00:45:03.970 --> 00:45:06.390 fashionistas in the gallery. 891 00:45:06.390 --> 00:45:08.600 So that sounds like one not to miss. 892 00:45:08.600 --> 00:45:11.027 All right, we will see you next time, bye bye.