WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.972 --> 00:00:03.555 line:15% (mellow music) 2 00:00:08.630 --> 00:00:09.600 line:15% We met over coffee, 3 00:00:09.600 --> 00:00:11.140 line:15% and I remember I was really nervous, 4 00:00:11.140 --> 00:00:14.050 because she sent an email beforehand saying, 5 00:00:14.050 --> 00:00:16.120 you know, think about how you might like to be portrayed, 6 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:18.040 if you've got any ideas and all that sort of stuff. 7 00:00:18.040 --> 00:00:20.220 And the last thing I wanted was to have 8 00:00:20.220 --> 00:00:22.740 another picture of me in Lycra with helmets and bikes, 9 00:00:22.740 --> 00:00:26.060 to portray what I did as opposed to who I am. 10 00:00:26.060 --> 00:00:28.720 And so when I met Narelle, 11 00:00:28.720 --> 00:00:30.127 I remember the first thing she said is, 12 00:00:30.127 --> 00:00:30.960 "so what do you think? 13 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:31.793 "What are your ideas?" 14 00:00:31.793 --> 00:00:33.320 And I was so happy that she asked me first, 15 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:34.770 'cause I was scared she was gonna say, 16 00:00:34.770 --> 00:00:36.100 how we're gonna put the bike here, 17 00:00:36.100 --> 00:00:38.240 and we're gonna put Lycra there. 18 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:40.000 And then as I kind of explained to her 19 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:41.820 how I felt about it and the ideas that I had, 20 00:00:41.820 --> 00:00:43.880 I could see I think she really resonated with it 21 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:45.180 and she took it from there. 22 00:00:45.180 --> 00:00:47.920 When I got the commission and realised 23 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:48.930 it was a pretty exciting thing, 24 00:00:48.930 --> 00:00:51.470 I'd never sort of done this sort of stuff before, I guess. 25 00:00:51.470 --> 00:00:52.830 And I had a bit of a google of you, 26 00:00:52.830 --> 00:00:54.570 and just to have a look and see what had been done. 27 00:00:54.570 --> 00:00:56.750 And you had been photographed so extensively, 28 00:00:56.750 --> 00:00:58.600 I started feeling a little bit challenged, you know. 29 00:00:58.600 --> 00:00:59.707 Thinking that, 30 00:00:59.707 --> 00:01:01.680 "how am I gonna make something different out of this?" 31 00:01:01.680 --> 00:01:03.550 And I sort of knew straight away 32 00:01:03.550 --> 00:01:05.510 I didn't want to have the bike in there. 33 00:01:05.510 --> 00:01:07.261 Or you in Lycra. 34 00:01:07.261 --> 00:01:09.220 (laugh) But again, I was a bit worried 35 00:01:09.220 --> 00:01:11.180 concerned that you might want to do that, you know. 36 00:01:11.180 --> 00:01:13.430 So it was just such a relief to know 37 00:01:13.430 --> 00:01:14.263 that you were actually willing 38 00:01:14.263 --> 00:01:16.330 to try something a little bit different. 39 00:01:16.330 --> 00:01:18.460 And think outside the box a bit 40 00:01:18.460 --> 00:01:19.691 and taking it a different direction. 41 00:01:19.691 --> 00:01:20.860 Yeah. So it was great. 42 00:01:20.860 --> 00:01:21.693 Yeah. 43 00:01:21.693 --> 00:01:23.610 And I guess the idea for it came about 44 00:01:23.610 --> 00:01:25.940 you know in discussions that, 45 00:01:25.940 --> 00:01:27.940 me as a person, me as a woman, 46 00:01:27.940 --> 00:01:30.810 I wanted to finally have an image of myself 47 00:01:30.810 --> 00:01:33.380 that I could present that was a little bit softer, 48 00:01:33.380 --> 00:01:35.040 it was a little bit more feminine. 49 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:36.620 But I come from the country, you know, 50 00:01:36.620 --> 00:01:39.030 and I love that connection from where I grew up, 51 00:01:39.030 --> 00:01:42.850 and so I kind of relied on Narelle around locations, 52 00:01:42.850 --> 00:01:46.370 given her experience of photography in South Australia. 53 00:01:46.370 --> 00:01:49.200 And I said I was looking for something that could convey 54 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.790 some contrast, I guess, between the softness 55 00:01:51.790 --> 00:01:53.000 of how I want to be presented 56 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.490 to the harshities that the country and land can portray. 57 00:01:56.490 --> 00:01:59.730 And maybe the landscape could speak for some of the traits 58 00:01:59.730 --> 00:02:02.990 that I'm known for as an athlete but also the person. 59 00:02:02.990 --> 00:02:04.420 It's a simple image, really, 60 00:02:04.420 --> 00:02:05.820 but it's quite complicated. 61 00:02:05.820 --> 00:02:07.640 Yeah, well there's a number of things happening 62 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:08.870 in the photograph in the end, 63 00:02:08.870 --> 00:02:11.270 and we did think about where to take you 64 00:02:11.270 --> 00:02:14.920 and in the end I think it needed to be somewhere in the country and the landscape 65 00:02:14.920 --> 00:02:17.520 because that actually - you are a country girl at heart, 66 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.795 and so that was a very basic need for the photograph, I think. 67 00:02:20.795 --> 00:02:22.430 And then just looking at, 68 00:02:22.430 --> 00:02:24.340 I mean I guess the idea of being feminine in the picture 69 00:02:24.340 --> 00:02:25.440 as well resonated with me. 70 00:02:25.440 --> 00:02:28.140 I think as a woman in a male industry as well, 71 00:02:28.140 --> 00:02:31.770 I think you dumb down your femininity a lot, just to be taken seriously. 72 00:02:31.770 --> 00:02:34.080 So it's a different kind of aspect you're talking about. 73 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.280 But I think that, it touched into all of my ideas 74 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.750 about how women should be portrayed. 75 00:02:39.750 --> 00:02:43.130 And so, you know even though I wanted to make you, 76 00:02:43.130 --> 00:02:44.950 embrace that softness and femininity, 77 00:02:44.950 --> 00:02:46.850 I didn't want to leave out the rest of your personality 78 00:02:46.850 --> 00:02:49.580 which is so strong and so powerful. 79 00:02:49.580 --> 00:02:51.100 And that's what people know you for, 80 00:02:51.100 --> 00:02:54.000 so using the symbols of the landscape, 81 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.558 the toughness of the rocks, and the tree that's bent over. 82 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.560 And there's a resilience Yeah. 83 00:02:58.560 --> 00:02:59.920 in there. 84 00:02:59.920 --> 00:03:01.290 You know you can look at that photograph 85 00:03:01.290 --> 00:03:03.300 and just look at it and admire it, 86 00:03:03.300 --> 00:03:05.250 but if you want to look further, 87 00:03:05.250 --> 00:03:07.030 there is a story there about you. 88 00:03:07.030 --> 00:03:07.863 Yeah. 89 00:03:07.863 --> 00:03:10.630 And it's interesting 'cause I only saw 90 00:03:10.630 --> 00:03:12.940 the chosen image not that long ago, 91 00:03:12.940 --> 00:03:15.350 and I got quite emotional in my response to it 92 00:03:15.350 --> 00:03:17.850 'cause I did feel like it was a really beautiful image. 93 00:03:17.850 --> 00:03:19.630 Because when you're standing in front of the camera, 94 00:03:19.630 --> 00:03:21.220 you see the lens. 95 00:03:21.220 --> 00:03:23.210 And you're hoping and you're backing 96 00:03:23.210 --> 00:03:25.500 that the photographer, in this case Narelle, 97 00:03:25.500 --> 00:03:29.220 was capturing something special. 98 00:03:29.220 --> 00:03:31.570 And she did a really, really wonderful job. 99 00:03:31.570 --> 00:03:32.403 Yeah. 100 00:03:32.403 --> 00:03:33.470 We tried a few different things. 101 00:03:33.470 --> 00:03:35.300 Yeah we did. And you had this beautiful dress 102 00:03:35.300 --> 00:03:39.117 that as soon as you put it on, it was the one, really. 103 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.453 And it seems to have a little bit of 104 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:43.320 mysterious history about it. 105 00:03:43.320 --> 00:03:44.929 It conjures up Picnic at Hanging Rock 106 00:03:44.929 --> 00:03:45.762 (Anna laughs) and stuff 107 00:03:45.762 --> 00:03:47.390 and country Australia. 108 00:03:47.390 --> 00:03:48.790 There was just something nice about that 109 00:03:48.790 --> 00:03:50.200 and it's very simple. 110 00:03:50.200 --> 00:03:51.840 And it glows, I think, in that light. 111 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.170 It all came together really 112 00:03:53.170 --> 00:03:56.410 in that last kind of two or three minutes of light, I think. 113 00:03:56.410 --> 00:03:57.900 'Cause we had different placements of you 114 00:03:57.900 --> 00:04:00.830 but in the end with you in front of the tree, 115 00:04:00.830 --> 00:04:02.340 it looks like you're part of the landscape, 116 00:04:02.340 --> 00:04:05.300 you're growing out of it with the trees and the rocks. 117 00:04:05.300 --> 00:04:07.590 So I really liked that about that part of the photograph. 118 00:04:07.590 --> 00:04:09.899 Yeah. And I think that resonates really well, too, 119 00:04:09.899 --> 00:04:12.940 for where I'm at in my present point of time in life. 120 00:04:12.940 --> 00:04:14.620 Just because I'm in a transition period 121 00:04:14.620 --> 00:04:17.680 I'm going from a hugely successful sporting career 122 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:19.700 and stepping into life without sport. 123 00:04:19.700 --> 00:04:22.830 And so I think again, there are so many 124 00:04:22.830 --> 00:04:25.230 correlations that come from that image. 125 00:04:25.230 --> 00:04:26.300 I mean I felt incredibly lucky 126 00:04:26.300 --> 00:04:29.090 that actually you wanted to go on a different journey 127 00:04:29.090 --> 00:04:31.590 So excited, too. Like it was really nice 128 00:04:31.590 --> 00:04:32.871 and it's not a traditional portrait, 129 00:04:32.871 --> 00:04:34.460 you know, so it's um... 130 00:04:34.460 --> 00:04:35.840 You know but for me that was important 131 00:04:35.840 --> 00:04:38.000 because I think that I love traditional portrait 132 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.360 but I also think for me, and the way I shoot 133 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.610 it's about using the landscape 134 00:04:42.610 --> 00:04:44.240 as a bit of chance in there as well. 135 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:45.500 Like the fact that we rolled up 136 00:04:45.500 --> 00:04:47.030 and we don't really know what we're gonna do. 137 00:04:47.030 --> 00:04:48.450 Mmm hmm. And that we don't 138 00:04:48.450 --> 00:04:50.788 really know what the light's gonna do. 139 00:04:50.788 --> 00:04:51.621 And if it does come together, 140 00:04:51.621 --> 00:04:53.313 it will come together. Yeah. 141 00:04:53.313 --> 00:04:55.222 It's about that moment in history and time and place. 142 00:04:55.222 --> 00:04:57.380 Yeah. For you, for me. 143 00:04:57.380 --> 00:05:00.713 It's actually a specific time and place, I guess Yeah. 144 00:05:00.833 --> 00:05:01.940 It can't be recreated. 145 00:05:01.940 --> 00:05:03.333 Well, it all had to come together 146 00:05:03.333 --> 00:05:06.185 because we - months went by 147 00:05:06.190 --> 00:05:07.270 and we were looking at weather 148 00:05:07.270 --> 00:05:10.540 we were looking at schedules of both yours and mine, 149 00:05:10.540 --> 00:05:13.070 and we got one day where everything worked. 150 00:05:13.070 --> 00:05:15.700 And then for the weeks following that photo it rained. 151 00:05:15.700 --> 00:05:17.511 Yeah, it was crazy. So we were very lucky. 152 00:05:17.511 --> 00:05:20.152 I can't believe I've looked at the weather forecasts 153 00:05:20.152 --> 00:05:22.340 for the month proceeding that it was driving me nuts, 154 00:05:22.340 --> 00:05:23.830 you know, trying to kind of second guess it. 155 00:05:23.830 --> 00:05:26.740 You were getting nervous. And knowing that you were so busy, 156 00:05:26.740 --> 00:05:30.207 and like the cancellations would become quite stressful in the end. 157 00:05:30.210 --> 00:05:31.110 So yeah, it was great. 158 00:05:31.110 --> 00:05:33.780 We had this beautiful balmy day, really, 159 00:05:33.780 --> 00:05:35.860 in the middle of Winter, or the end of Winter. 160 00:05:35.860 --> 00:05:37.040 And this beautiful location 161 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:38.560 which was a bit difficult to find, 162 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.790 you know, like it was a strange sort of place, 163 00:05:41.790 --> 00:05:43.640 on the other side of the hills in Adelaide 164 00:05:43.640 --> 00:05:46.620 leading to Murray Bridge and it's quite barren, I guess. 165 00:05:46.620 --> 00:05:48.870 Rolling hills but then all of a sudden this crop of rocks 166 00:05:48.870 --> 00:05:51.500 sort of breaks out of the ground, really. 167 00:05:51.500 --> 00:05:52.700 And we were lucky enough to find Mick 168 00:05:52.700 --> 00:05:54.480 who let us onto his property. 169 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:56.120 Yes. For the last half hour. 170 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:57.520 It was really fun because we were actually 171 00:05:57.520 --> 00:05:58.960 just chasing the light around, 172 00:05:58.960 --> 00:06:01.910 'cause we were out behind a little bit of an edge of hills 173 00:06:01.910 --> 00:06:03.180 and so we were losing the light 174 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:04.560 and we just basically, 175 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.940 started down below and then walked up the hill 176 00:06:06.940 --> 00:06:07.965 and then found the sheoak, 177 00:06:07.965 --> 00:06:10.415 and you know had 10 minutes there 178 00:06:10.415 --> 00:06:12.123 and that was our picture. 179 00:06:13.660 --> 00:06:16.310 I guess I like using the landscape like a stage. 180 00:06:16.310 --> 00:06:18.460 You find something special 181 00:06:18.460 --> 00:06:20.280 and then you wait for the light. 182 00:06:20.280 --> 00:06:21.550 I love using natural light, 183 00:06:21.550 --> 00:06:24.090 I love seeing what the sun can do. 184 00:06:24.090 --> 00:06:25.293 And how it can illuminate things 185 00:06:25.293 --> 00:06:27.260 that you may not necessarily see. 186 00:06:27.260 --> 00:06:30.140 And actually points you into a direction to look at, 187 00:06:30.140 --> 00:06:31.730 and that's in the end you standing there 188 00:06:31.730 --> 00:06:33.070 and having the light shine on you. 189 00:06:33.070 --> 00:06:34.680 You are in this beautiful white dress, 190 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:36.620 which kind of has a lovely soft glow 191 00:06:36.620 --> 00:06:39.290 and it brings a little bit of magic to it, 192 00:06:39.290 --> 00:06:41.090 I guess with the magic hour we shot it in. 193 00:06:41.090 --> 00:06:43.960 But all the parts of that picture tell a story. 194 00:06:43.960 --> 00:06:44.990 You know, like, there are 195 00:06:44.990 --> 00:06:47.050 about actually telling a bigger picture about you. 196 00:06:47.050 --> 00:06:48.460 You know, you have, 197 00:06:48.460 --> 00:06:49.720 you looking soft and feminine 198 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:50.950 which is a big part of your personality 199 00:06:50.950 --> 00:06:52.020 which you've never really been able 200 00:06:52.020 --> 00:06:53.450 to project before, too much. 201 00:06:53.450 --> 00:06:55.302 Well my profession doesn't allow for it, you know. 202 00:06:55.302 --> 00:06:57.261 No. It's a very aggressive, intimidating 203 00:06:57.261 --> 00:07:00.703 environment where strength and power reign supreme. 204 00:07:00.900 --> 00:07:04.050 And I guess many people in my life see two different Annas. 205 00:07:04.050 --> 00:07:05.330 You know there's the athlete Anna, 206 00:07:05.330 --> 00:07:07.280 and there's the Anna at home. 207 00:07:07.280 --> 00:07:10.370 So it was nice to kind of tap into that a little bit. 208 00:07:10.370 --> 00:07:12.340 I think it's interesting how also, 209 00:07:12.340 --> 00:07:15.890 because you have been so tough and portrayed as that, 210 00:07:15.890 --> 00:07:17.860 is that's the only way they want to see you. 211 00:07:17.860 --> 00:07:19.930 You know, like the you about the steely-jawed, 212 00:07:19.930 --> 00:07:22.210 kind of, "get out of my way" 213 00:07:22.210 --> 00:07:24.444 Death stare. (both laughs) 214 00:07:24.444 --> 00:07:25.620 Which is kind of, you know, 215 00:07:25.620 --> 00:07:27.120 it is interesting how we can't, 216 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:28.050 we can't separate that. 217 00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:30.560 We kind of either have to have girls looking girly, 218 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.610 or we have to have 'em looking tough 219 00:07:32.610 --> 00:07:34.307 and kind of, almost masculine, you know. 220 00:07:34.307 --> 00:07:36.290 So it was kind of nice to be able to try 221 00:07:36.290 --> 00:07:39.350 and bring all that together and celebrate being a woman. 222 00:07:39.350 --> 00:07:42.180 That you actually don't have to be one or the other. 223 00:07:42.180 --> 00:07:43.230 Yeah. You can be both. 224 00:07:43.230 --> 00:07:44.820 There's great strength in femininity. 225 00:07:44.820 --> 00:07:46.540 Yeah, absolutely. And softness as well. 226 00:07:46.540 --> 00:07:48.170 And I think you captured that really well. 227 00:07:48.170 --> 00:07:50.230 But the tree as well, you know, 228 00:07:50.457 --> 00:07:53.870 it's struggling to grow and has grown for a very long time 229 00:07:53.870 --> 00:07:56.970 and you can see the wear and the effect 230 00:07:56.970 --> 00:07:59.490 of what it's gone through, the struggles, 231 00:07:59.490 --> 00:08:01.140 the challenges that it's face. 232 00:08:01.140 --> 00:08:03.190 You know you see the dead log in front of it 233 00:08:03.190 --> 00:08:04.710 where parts of it has broken off 234 00:08:04.710 --> 00:08:05.760 but it's continued to grow. 235 00:08:05.760 --> 00:08:09.310 And I think that really symbolises the resilience 236 00:08:09.310 --> 00:08:10.940 and tough things that I've had to experience 237 00:08:10.940 --> 00:08:12.010 in my career as well. 238 00:08:12.010 --> 00:08:12.843 Yeah, absolutely. 239 00:08:12.843 --> 00:08:14.420 You know coming back from the accident you had, 240 00:08:14.420 --> 00:08:16.350 I mean, it's all there, you know, 241 00:08:16.350 --> 00:08:17.660 if you want to look at it 242 00:08:17.660 --> 00:08:20.270 The toughness of the rocks growing out of the landscape. 243 00:08:20.270 --> 00:08:21.940 That all builds the picture of, 244 00:08:21.940 --> 00:08:23.780 picture to me of you. 245 00:08:23.780 --> 00:08:27.370 And the little tiny tree in the background, 246 00:08:27.370 --> 00:08:29.650 I love that kind of aspect of, you know, 247 00:08:29.650 --> 00:08:31.850 you standing alone at the top of your career. 248 00:08:31.850 --> 00:08:33.930 Like you are an Australian household name 249 00:08:33.930 --> 00:08:36.967 and no one really has been able to be up there with you. 250 00:08:36.967 --> 00:08:39.250 So you're out there on your own. 251 00:08:39.250 --> 00:08:40.560 So I think there's all lots- 252 00:08:40.560 --> 00:08:42.870 and the rolling hills you know are very feminine as well. 253 00:08:42.870 --> 00:08:44.205 They're beautiful shapes and stuff, 254 00:08:44.205 --> 00:08:46.890 and there's a lot in there if you want to find it. 255 00:08:46.890 --> 00:08:47.850 You don't have to, 256 00:08:47.850 --> 00:08:48.740 but if you want to go looking, 257 00:08:48.740 --> 00:08:50.930 there's a story of you, you know. 258 00:08:50.930 --> 00:08:52.160 Definitely. 259 00:08:52.160 --> 00:08:53.550 I felt really privileged 260 00:08:53.550 --> 00:08:55.140 to be able to photograph you, as well. 261 00:08:55.140 --> 00:08:57.379 Because you're everything that I love in a woman. 262 00:08:57.379 --> 00:08:59.130 Going after your dreams and being strong, 263 00:08:59.130 --> 00:09:01.114 and you're a household name in our family. 264 00:09:01.114 --> 00:09:03.935 My kids love watching you do the box jumps and stuff. 265 00:09:03.935 --> 00:09:05.655 (both laughs) 266 00:09:05.655 --> 00:09:06.820 It was a great gig to get. 267 00:09:06.820 --> 00:09:09.160 And I'm really glad you came along for the ride. 268 00:09:09.160 --> 00:09:11.278 You know, and we were able to be something a little bit different. 269 00:09:11.278 --> 00:09:13.195 Yeah. Me, too.