WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.396 --> 00:00:02.813 (soft music) 2 00:00:15.140 --> 00:00:16.977 - Victims are not weak. 3 00:00:16.977 --> 00:00:19.250 line:15% Victims have strength. 4 00:00:19.250 --> 00:00:21.940 line:15% They're not in the position they're in because they're less 5 00:00:21.940 --> 00:00:23.710 line:15% of a person. 6 00:00:23.710 --> 00:00:26.100 In fact, they have enormous strength and resilience 7 00:00:26.100 --> 00:00:27.920 because they use it every day. 8 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:34.500 I learned quite quickly in preparation 9 00:00:34.500 --> 00:00:37.630 of the inquiry into Luke's death and the criminal inquiry 10 00:00:37.630 --> 00:00:39.210 that there was only one person 11 00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:41.240 that was responsible and that was Greg 12 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.050 and that I was a loving, caring, protecting mother, 13 00:00:44.050 --> 00:00:47.320 I could never, ever, ever perceive that was possible, 14 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:51.600 that he would have planned and indeed done such a thing. 15 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.400 And I think people need to understand that 16 00:00:55.400 --> 00:00:57.570 when you have a child, no one loves that child 17 00:00:57.570 --> 00:00:59.720 more than you, you would do anything 18 00:00:59.720 --> 00:01:01.870 and there are some things you could say, 19 00:01:01.870 --> 00:01:03.780 where you could point the blame and say, 20 00:01:03.780 --> 00:01:06.370 "If they'd have done this, that wouldn't have happened," 21 00:01:06.370 --> 00:01:08.400 but ultimately, it's a waste of... 22 00:01:10.125 --> 00:01:12.280 It's a waste of time, because everyone is doing the best 23 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:13.690 that they think at the time. 24 00:01:13.690 --> 00:01:16.160 The training and understanding of family violence 25 00:01:16.160 --> 00:01:19.360 and the risks is really poor. 26 00:01:19.360 --> 00:01:20.970 You have got choices 27 00:01:20.970 --> 00:01:23.910 and I have been able to... 28 00:01:24.940 --> 00:01:27.180 Channel my grief... 29 00:01:27.180 --> 00:01:31.480 In a way that I hope makes a difference in... 30 00:01:32.590 --> 00:01:34.320 In society. 31 00:01:34.320 --> 00:01:35.930 And we do not talk about grief. 32 00:01:35.930 --> 00:01:37.860 We do not talk about grief, we don't know 33 00:01:37.860 --> 00:01:38.970 what it looks like. 34 00:01:38.970 --> 00:01:41.930 They would expect you to be comatose 35 00:01:41.930 --> 00:01:44.010 in a shrouded room 36 00:01:44.010 --> 00:01:44.920 with the lights, 37 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:46.640 never facing it public. 38 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:50.100 I... 39 00:01:50.100 --> 00:01:52.900 Don't know why I didn't choose that path, 40 00:01:52.900 --> 00:01:54.610 because it would have been incredibly easy. 41 00:01:54.610 --> 00:01:56.030 I think... 42 00:01:56.030 --> 00:01:58.490 At the time, you're so... 43 00:01:58.490 --> 00:02:01.210 Used to fighting that you just know 44 00:02:01.210 --> 00:02:03.340 you've got to keep fighting 45 00:02:03.340 --> 00:02:06.350 and it would've been, I felt if I let myself 46 00:02:06.350 --> 00:02:08.320 sink into that abyss, 47 00:02:08.320 --> 00:02:10.650 I would have never come out of it. 48 00:02:10.650 --> 00:02:11.800 I still feel like that. 49 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:15.560 Because... 50 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:17.760 You know, you don't recover. 51 00:02:17.760 --> 00:02:20.710 And then people talk to you about grief 52 00:02:20.710 --> 00:02:23.670 and you know, people will share their grief 53 00:02:23.670 --> 00:02:25.930 and tragedy and they'll say, 54 00:02:25.930 --> 00:02:27.520 "You never get over it." 55 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.270 And I think I have got a prison sentence. 56 00:02:32.110 --> 00:02:34.550 And sometimes it is too hard to keep going, 57 00:02:34.550 --> 00:02:35.383 but you do. 58 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.800 I don't profess to be anything other than 59 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.920 a vulnerable person that is still struggling with grief. 60 00:02:43.920 --> 00:02:47.180 It affects my judgement , it affects my ability 61 00:02:47.180 --> 00:02:50.640 to deal with pressure and stress and things like that, 62 00:02:50.640 --> 00:02:52.310 but I'm human. 63 00:02:52.310 --> 00:02:55.940 People don't always see that side because you're putting on 64 00:02:55.940 --> 00:03:00.500 a brave face for whatever message you're delivering 65 00:03:00.500 --> 00:03:02.800 or what you're talking about. 66 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.670 It doesn't mean that other people don't see it 67 00:03:05.670 --> 00:03:07.130 or experience it or... 68 00:03:08.160 --> 00:03:09.420 Understand that. 69 00:03:12.190 --> 00:03:14.080 I think it's interesting, isn't it. 70 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.180 It's not uniquely Australian as we know. 71 00:03:16.180 --> 00:03:17.760 It is everywhere. 72 00:03:17.760 --> 00:03:20.450 And I think we're just very conditioned. 73 00:03:20.450 --> 00:03:21.870 We're very conditioned. 74 00:03:22.970 --> 00:03:25.040 Family violence was always something 75 00:03:25.040 --> 00:03:26.960 like a lot of family trauma. 76 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:28.900 You keep quiet. 77 00:03:28.900 --> 00:03:32.880 In the past, media didn't even communicate 78 00:03:32.880 --> 00:03:35.020 the stories particularly and when they do, 79 00:03:35.931 --> 00:03:38.160 they don't do a very good job of it. 80 00:03:38.160 --> 00:03:42.010 So we are seeing definite changes and improvements, 81 00:03:42.010 --> 00:03:43.550 but it is a big question. 82 00:03:43.550 --> 00:03:46.410 Why have we not recognised before now, 83 00:03:46.410 --> 00:03:50.900 as a very lucky, privileged, progressive country, 84 00:03:50.900 --> 00:03:52.660 but we do have an underbelly. 85 00:03:52.660 --> 00:03:55.010 We've got to understand that this is... 86 00:03:56.330 --> 00:03:58.710 Something that we all play a part in 87 00:03:58.710 --> 00:04:03.070 as a community where we condemn violence of any kind 88 00:04:03.070 --> 00:04:05.470 and there is never an excuse. 89 00:04:05.470 --> 00:04:07.390 Ultimately violence is a choice 90 00:04:07.390 --> 00:04:10.760 and it is based on power and control. 91 00:04:14.040 --> 00:04:15.000 - We switched? 92 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.845 line:15% - Yeah. I'll be ready in one sec. 93 00:04:17.845 --> 00:04:21.580 line:15% - He was a little boy in a grown body... 94 00:04:26.520 --> 00:04:28.860 line:15% That felt pain and sadness 95 00:04:30.060 --> 00:04:31.510 line:15% and fear for his mom. 96 00:04:34.060 --> 00:04:36.710 line:15% And he always believed he would be safe with his dad. 97 00:04:37.640 --> 00:04:39.190 line:15% And he would have trusted Greg. 98 00:04:40.890 --> 00:04:43.540 line:15% I'm here right now because 99 00:04:43.540 --> 00:04:45.110 line:15% I know you have a job to do 100 00:04:46.330 --> 00:04:47.900 line:15% and I want to tell everybody 101 00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:52.770 line:15% that family violence happens to everybody 102 00:04:52.770 --> 00:04:55.160 line:15% no matter how nice your house is, how... 103 00:04:56.630 --> 00:04:58.780 line:15% Intelligent you are. 104 00:05:01.250 --> 00:05:05.400 line:15% It happens to anyone and everyone. 105 00:05:05.400 --> 00:05:07.200 line:15% And this has been an 11-year battle. 106 00:05:12.224 --> 00:05:14.870 Well, I think that that certainly has been 107 00:05:14.870 --> 00:05:18.070 what has really astonished people and caught their attention 108 00:05:18.070 --> 00:05:22.570 and without any doubt at all, that's what really helped 109 00:05:22.570 --> 00:05:26.160 raise the awareness of family violence and gave me 110 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:29.110 an opportunity even though I didn't... 111 00:05:29.110 --> 00:05:31.570 Realise what is was at the time 112 00:05:31.570 --> 00:05:35.730 to be able to be heard and make some... 113 00:05:35.730 --> 00:05:37.490 Shift in change. 114 00:05:37.490 --> 00:05:40.010 And you know, when I went out to the media, 115 00:05:40.010 --> 00:05:41.930 it really was in defiance. 116 00:05:42.910 --> 00:05:45.270 That my friends were actually going to go out 117 00:05:45.270 --> 00:05:47.900 and tell the media could they please leave 118 00:05:47.900 --> 00:05:50.350 because in respect our privacy, et cetera, 119 00:05:50.350 --> 00:05:52.260 because that's what you do in the movies 120 00:05:52.260 --> 00:05:54.650 and that's what we think you're supposed to do. 121 00:05:54.650 --> 00:05:58.130 And I don't know why, I know that I was... 122 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.260 It's hard to describe the condition you're in 123 00:06:02.260 --> 00:06:03.690 when something like this happens 124 00:06:03.690 --> 00:06:05.870 because you are conscious, but... 125 00:06:06.898 --> 00:06:08.960 But you seem to come in and out of some kind 126 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:10.140 of awareness thing. 127 00:06:11.884 --> 00:06:13.740 You're not of yourself, really. 128 00:06:13.740 --> 00:06:16.130 I just heard them talking and I thought, 129 00:06:16.130 --> 00:06:17.830 "If anyone's going to tell them to go away, 130 00:06:17.830 --> 00:06:19.180 "it's going to be me." 131 00:06:20.130 --> 00:06:22.560 I have no idea why I would think that or even feel 132 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.360 that strongly quite frankly, but I did. 133 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.390 So I just went out with the intention of asking 134 00:06:28.390 --> 00:06:29.622 them out of respect 135 00:06:29.622 --> 00:06:31.660 to go. 136 00:06:31.660 --> 00:06:33.930 And how it... 137 00:06:33.930 --> 00:06:36.090 Changed to be... 138 00:06:36.090 --> 00:06:37.480 Me talking... 139 00:06:39.310 --> 00:06:41.250 Was something I hadn't planned. 140 00:06:41.250 --> 00:06:43.410 And I had certainly no idea or script of what 141 00:06:43.410 --> 00:06:45.160 I was going to say. 142 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:46.610 And I was... 143 00:06:46.610 --> 00:06:49.120 Have constantly been surprised since 144 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.100 that people have... 145 00:06:51.100 --> 00:06:54.350 Been so amazed at that particular thing that I did. 146 00:06:54.350 --> 00:06:59.180 I also, I don't like to remain bitter or angry and... 147 00:07:00.090 --> 00:07:02.010 Say hurtful, horrible things, 148 00:07:02.010 --> 00:07:06.430 because I felt it's just lowers you to... 149 00:07:06.430 --> 00:07:09.270 It lowers you and you need to rise above 150 00:07:09.270 --> 00:07:10.480 and be that better person, 151 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.410 so I think, you know, I was... 152 00:07:12.410 --> 00:07:15.970 It's astonished people too that I didn't say anything... 153 00:07:15.970 --> 00:07:17.950 Hateful about Greg. 154 00:07:17.950 --> 00:07:20.780 I just chose to speak how I... 155 00:07:23.110 --> 00:07:25.000 Carefully I guess about... 156 00:07:26.970 --> 00:07:30.250 Not speaking in a disrespectful way about him 157 00:07:30.250 --> 00:07:31.970 even though I was entitled to do 158 00:07:31.970 --> 00:07:34.600 and everyone would have expected me to do that, 159 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:38.310 but ultimately we all just do the best we can 160 00:07:38.310 --> 00:07:40.820 and it's situations like that, 161 00:07:40.820 --> 00:07:43.260 you know, you shouldn't be judged 162 00:07:43.260 --> 00:07:46.010 cause it's really that you wouldn't want anyone 163 00:07:46.010 --> 00:07:48.480 to find themselves in that situation of 164 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:52.150 having to deal with such a traumatic event. 165 00:07:52.150 --> 00:07:55.110 Obviously now that I'm considered 166 00:07:55.110 --> 00:07:57.790 a key spokesperson in this area, 167 00:07:57.790 --> 00:07:58.990 I will now have a, 168 00:07:58.990 --> 00:08:03.990 I'm recognised wherever I go it seems. 169 00:08:04.430 --> 00:08:08.140 I know that a lot of people have their opinion 170 00:08:08.140 --> 00:08:10.870 and you can't, not everyone will understand 171 00:08:10.870 --> 00:08:13.380 and not everyone will like what you've done, 172 00:08:13.380 --> 00:08:15.880 but I have to say I... 173 00:08:15.880 --> 00:08:19.530 I get very, very touched when children make contact 174 00:08:19.530 --> 00:08:21.070 with the foundation 175 00:08:21.070 --> 00:08:23.130 and want to do a project on me 176 00:08:23.130 --> 00:08:25.760 and share some insights 177 00:08:25.760 --> 00:08:29.430 and I've just found that's incredibly... 178 00:08:29.430 --> 00:08:30.650 Moving actually. 179 00:08:35.090 --> 00:08:38.010 I've not had a portrait photograph taken like that, 180 00:08:38.010 --> 00:08:40.980 it's not like a family snapshot type. 181 00:08:40.980 --> 00:08:45.400 It shows me I think in a strong manner. 182 00:08:45.400 --> 00:08:49.500 I think it reflect me in a way that I haven't seen before. 183 00:08:49.500 --> 00:08:52.800 Nikki's a warm, lovely person 184 00:08:52.800 --> 00:08:57.020 and think that she's an incredible photographer to do that. 185 00:08:57.020 --> 00:09:01.120 The portrait captures some part of me 186 00:09:02.490 --> 00:09:04.650 that lets you realise that... 187 00:09:06.131 --> 00:09:11.131 There's a sadness that probably will never go away, 188 00:09:12.610 --> 00:09:14.660 but through that sadness there's an awful lot 189 00:09:14.660 --> 00:09:16.880 of good things. 190 00:09:19.260 --> 00:09:24.260 I think I feel pleased to think that... 191 00:09:26.920 --> 00:09:31.290 I may be able to get people to think differently about 192 00:09:31.290 --> 00:09:35.140 women or children or anybody experiencing violence. 193 00:09:35.140 --> 00:09:37.800 I hope that I've been able to perhaps 194 00:09:37.800 --> 00:09:42.260 show some feelings around grief that also people 195 00:09:42.260 --> 00:09:44.400 who have loss 196 00:09:44.400 --> 00:09:48.410 and struggle and suffer with tragedy that there isn't 197 00:09:48.410 --> 00:09:50.470 a particular way of handling something. 198 00:09:50.470 --> 00:09:52.900 We just do the best we can 199 00:09:52.900 --> 00:09:56.730 and it's not something you just get over and get on with 200 00:09:56.730 --> 00:10:01.190 and we really need to talk about grief and our own fears 201 00:10:02.190 --> 00:10:05.140 and stop judging people. 202 00:10:06.130 --> 00:10:11.130 If I'm able to give strength to some people, 203 00:10:11.210 --> 00:10:13.500 which it seems that I do, 204 00:10:14.850 --> 00:10:17.540 well that's great, because it's not an easy word 205 00:10:17.540 --> 00:10:22.160 and no one would ever say it is, but if people get strength 206 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:25.960 from seeing my strength, I think that's an amazing thing 207 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:27.610 I can give back. 208 00:10:27.610 --> 00:10:30.520 Give people hope, give people strength, 209 00:10:30.520 --> 00:10:32.880 help them to understand that they're not alone 210 00:10:32.880 --> 00:10:35.470 and that there are many, many other people 211 00:10:35.470 --> 00:10:38.590 feeling and experiencing very, very difficult 212 00:10:38.590 --> 00:10:40.468 and challenging things. 213 00:10:40.468 --> 00:10:42.885 (soft music)