WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.878 --> 00:00:01.920 (gentle music) 2 00:00:01.920 --> 00:00:05.790 I met Allie because she was part of a crew 3 00:00:05.790 --> 00:00:08.100 that did some work with the ABC, 4 00:00:08.100 --> 00:00:11.463 and I was just immediately drawn to her, 5 00:00:12.300 --> 00:00:14.100 and just 6 00:00:14.100 --> 00:00:15.780 as part of the project, 7 00:00:15.780 --> 00:00:18.210 she took some photographs of me here, 8 00:00:18.210 --> 00:00:21.090 and they were just so beautiful that I just thought, 9 00:00:21.090 --> 00:00:23.820 wow she's got real talent. 10 00:00:23.820 --> 00:00:26.580 And yeah, she just stood out, 11 00:00:26.580 --> 00:00:28.263 and she has beautiful presence. 12 00:00:31.140 --> 00:00:33.660 You've taken my photograph quite a few times now, 13 00:00:33.660 --> 00:00:36.000 and they're all quite different, 14 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:36.833 and 15 00:00:37.770 --> 00:00:38.620 I think that 16 00:00:40.050 --> 00:00:43.260 one of the things that makes you a really great photographer 17 00:00:43.260 --> 00:00:46.173 is that you are able to connect with people. 18 00:00:47.190 --> 00:00:49.920 And I feel a special connection with you. 19 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:52.200 That's why I keep coming back to you, 20 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:54.690 and saying can we do something else? 21 00:00:54.690 --> 00:00:56.370 Can we do something else? 22 00:00:56.370 --> 00:00:59.160 And saying, oh, I've got this great dress. 23 00:00:59.160 --> 00:01:00.390 What can we do with it? 24 00:01:00.390 --> 00:01:01.223 Yeah. 25 00:01:01.223 --> 00:01:02.757 So that you said with the dress, 26 00:01:02.757 --> 00:01:05.640 what movement do you think this dress should make? 27 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:08.490 And I just thought, oh, it should be very sculptural, 28 00:01:08.490 --> 00:01:10.440 it should be bending backwards, 29 00:01:10.440 --> 00:01:11.970 and I could just do it. 30 00:01:11.970 --> 00:01:14.959 But in real life, I would never do it, (laughing) 31 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:16.560 never do that, 32 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:17.610 but I could just do it, 33 00:01:17.610 --> 00:01:20.160 and not feel strange or ridiculous. 34 00:01:20.160 --> 00:01:23.490 And it made a beautiful arc in the photograph. 35 00:01:23.490 --> 00:01:24.543 Yes, yeah. 36 00:01:26.526 --> 00:01:27.359 (gentle music) 37 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.730 Well, we had this dress from Romance Was Born 38 00:01:29.730 --> 00:01:31.560 so that was what started it. 39 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:33.270 And Patricia 40 00:01:33.270 --> 00:01:37.350 suggested the colour and the art direction combination 41 00:01:37.350 --> 00:01:38.970 of using the back room 42 00:01:38.970 --> 00:01:41.460 with all of the moulds in the back. 43 00:01:41.460 --> 00:01:43.890 But I knew that we didn't want her 44 00:01:43.890 --> 00:01:47.010 just standing there looking at the camera, 45 00:01:47.010 --> 00:01:48.690 or even soul gazing, 46 00:01:48.690 --> 00:01:50.490 which we've done some great portraits 47 00:01:50.490 --> 00:01:52.260 where we've had that. 48 00:01:52.260 --> 00:01:55.050 We wanted to show the movement of the dress, 49 00:01:55.050 --> 00:01:57.780 but also some of my favourite portraits of artists 50 00:01:57.780 --> 00:02:00.150 are of them really in their studio. 51 00:02:00.150 --> 00:02:02.190 And so the first time I came here, 52 00:02:02.190 --> 00:02:03.240 and every time I come here, 53 00:02:03.240 --> 00:02:05.610 I'm just struck by the the magical world, 54 00:02:05.610 --> 00:02:06.443 and the team, 55 00:02:06.443 --> 00:02:07.860 and you just sort of wanna believe 56 00:02:07.860 --> 00:02:11.550 that Patricia is rocking around the studio, you know, 57 00:02:11.550 --> 00:02:13.260 like this, that she is. 58 00:02:13.260 --> 00:02:14.460 So to me, she is, 59 00:02:14.460 --> 00:02:18.960 she's this magical, incredibly kind, 60 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:19.833 very, 61 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.520 the energy that she has within her, 62 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.920 it almost, it just glows out of her, you know? 63 00:02:25.920 --> 00:02:28.443 And so I wanted to capture all of that. 64 00:02:30.720 --> 00:02:34.140 Yeah, portraiture to me is very interesting. 65 00:02:34.140 --> 00:02:35.530 What I'm interested in is 66 00:02:37.620 --> 00:02:41.640 not the mask that someone would would show, 67 00:02:41.640 --> 00:02:43.050 but I honestly, 68 00:02:43.050 --> 00:02:45.210 we never know where we gonna go 69 00:02:45.210 --> 00:02:46.860 with my portraiture work, 70 00:02:46.860 --> 00:02:48.540 it's always an adventure, 71 00:02:48.540 --> 00:02:52.450 and it's just up to the bravery of the subject, really 72 00:02:53.728 --> 00:02:55.410 to see what comes out, 73 00:02:55.410 --> 00:02:57.630 I can hold space, 74 00:02:57.630 --> 00:03:02.250 because I'm really excited that they're even up for that. 75 00:03:02.250 --> 00:03:05.070 And so to make a picture, 76 00:03:05.070 --> 00:03:06.810 and things like that, 77 00:03:06.810 --> 00:03:08.769 that's really fun for me. 78 00:03:08.769 --> 00:03:09.870 (gentle music) 79 00:03:09.870 --> 00:03:11.670 That's why that picture, 80 00:03:11.670 --> 00:03:13.050 I'm really so in love with, 81 00:03:13.050 --> 00:03:17.670 because it's got so many dimensions to it. 82 00:03:17.670 --> 00:03:18.990 It's a great picture. 83 00:03:18.990 --> 00:03:19.823 Yeah. 84 00:03:19.823 --> 00:03:20.656 Yeah. 85 00:03:20.656 --> 00:03:21.630 Yeah. 86 00:03:21.630 --> 00:03:23.110 I think what I like 87 00:03:25.170 --> 00:03:29.760 in my work is what excites me as someone's receptivity. 88 00:03:29.760 --> 00:03:32.610 So receptivity 89 00:03:32.610 --> 00:03:35.530 could be defined as the willingness to 90 00:03:36.750 --> 00:03:39.450 receive whatever's coming in. 91 00:03:39.450 --> 00:03:43.650 And so many humans, they have filters for, you know, 92 00:03:43.650 --> 00:03:44.850 how much they're gonna let in, 93 00:03:44.850 --> 00:03:46.770 how much they're gonna show. 94 00:03:46.770 --> 00:03:50.160 And it's very scary for people to open up 95 00:03:50.160 --> 00:03:52.770 in vulnerably in front of the camera. 96 00:03:52.770 --> 00:03:55.710 My experience is that the best photos of people 97 00:03:55.710 --> 00:03:56.543 are when they are 98 00:03:56.543 --> 00:04:00.930 in a natural state of vulnerability and receptivity. 99 00:04:00.930 --> 00:04:02.940 So then how do we get them 100 00:04:02.940 --> 00:04:05.975 to that point in front of the camera? 101 00:04:05.975 --> 00:04:08.558 (gentle music) 102 00:04:10.650 --> 00:04:13.334 I've worked for around 30 years 103 00:04:13.334 --> 00:04:18.334 with ideas to do with what we find natural and artificial. 104 00:04:18.840 --> 00:04:22.410 And that's been a fantastic area for me to dwell in, 105 00:04:22.410 --> 00:04:25.893 because it encompasses so much. 106 00:04:27.270 --> 00:04:28.300 And recently 107 00:04:30.732 --> 00:04:32.200 it's had a lot to do with 108 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:35.470 the kind of climate 109 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:38.940 emergency and crisis. 110 00:04:38.940 --> 00:04:43.173 But fundamentally, my work is really about care. 111 00:04:45.150 --> 00:04:49.383 And a lot of it has to do with how we relate to difference. 112 00:04:54.101 --> 00:04:54.934 And I hope that 113 00:04:54.934 --> 00:04:57.093 when people come to my work, 114 00:04:58.080 --> 00:05:00.420 there is a dynamic that happens 115 00:05:00.420 --> 00:05:01.950 that it's not just, you know, 116 00:05:01.950 --> 00:05:03.660 something that they consume and walk on. 117 00:05:03.660 --> 00:05:06.090 There is something that they find, 118 00:05:06.090 --> 00:05:09.830 sort of engaging, confronting, challenging, 119 00:05:09.830 --> 00:05:12.120 and different, new, 120 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.150 and people are drawn to that, 121 00:05:15.150 --> 00:05:17.790 but in a kind of way that they're not unsure about. 122 00:05:17.790 --> 00:05:19.440 Maybe they're pushed away because of it, 123 00:05:19.440 --> 00:05:21.963 and then they might come back in, 124 00:05:23.070 --> 00:05:27.633 because they've connected on an emotional level. 125 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.830 So emotional connections are really important to me. 126 00:05:31.830 --> 00:05:35.190 And these are embodied things. 127 00:05:35.190 --> 00:05:36.210 Just think about them. 128 00:05:36.210 --> 00:05:38.400 They involve the heart. 129 00:05:38.400 --> 00:05:40.770 It's not their brain, it's mind, 130 00:05:40.770 --> 00:05:43.530 it's the way you relate to things. 131 00:05:43.530 --> 00:05:46.680 A work like this, which echoes a bit 132 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:47.880 the photograph we made, 133 00:05:47.880 --> 00:05:50.100 'cause it's just as kind of improbable. 134 00:05:50.100 --> 00:05:52.170 In fact, it's impossible 135 00:05:52.170 --> 00:05:54.873 to be able to do this kind of yoga pose. 136 00:05:56.550 --> 00:05:58.030 If this work is about 137 00:06:01.860 --> 00:06:06.060 the kinds of identities we might need to have 138 00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:07.860 to be able to 139 00:06:07.860 --> 00:06:09.630 embrace 140 00:06:09.630 --> 00:06:13.113 new ideas around how we engage with nature, 141 00:06:14.760 --> 00:06:16.770 and what that might look like. 142 00:06:16.770 --> 00:06:20.280 And we can see this young person here 143 00:06:20.280 --> 00:06:22.110 being able to have the fortitude 144 00:06:22.110 --> 00:06:24.933 to be able to hold up this new ecology. 145 00:06:26.670 --> 00:06:29.670 But unlike Atlas, who had to hold up the world, 146 00:06:29.670 --> 00:06:31.470 it wasn't punitive. 147 00:06:31.470 --> 00:06:35.160 They're doing it because they're choosing to do that. 148 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:40.160 They want to create a new way of supporting, 149 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:44.190 and a new understanding of how we can relate to nature, 150 00:06:44.190 --> 00:06:45.370 and what is nature 151 00:06:47.100 --> 00:06:47.943 for us. 152 00:06:49.057 --> 00:06:51.670 And the idea here is that it's a kind of blended 153 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:55.090 concept to 154 00:06:56.520 --> 00:06:58.200 nature and technology, 155 00:06:58.200 --> 00:06:59.073 and new life. 156 00:07:02.490 --> 00:07:03.570 That's really interesting. 157 00:07:03.570 --> 00:07:06.220 And I'm lucky to have watched Patricia 158 00:07:07.110 --> 00:07:09.780 do that inside an art's practise. 159 00:07:09.780 --> 00:07:14.523 I think it's incredible work and art that she makes. 160 00:07:16.050 --> 00:07:17.430 So 161 00:07:17.430 --> 00:07:18.870 I am 162 00:07:18.870 --> 00:07:21.333 exploring similar themes, 163 00:07:22.290 --> 00:07:27.240 but from the point, the view of snapshotting really, 164 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:31.500 and of observing the reality as it's unfolding 165 00:07:31.500 --> 00:07:35.553 rather than sitting in making something from, 166 00:07:36.576 --> 00:07:38.463 I'm capturing it live. 167 00:07:39.807 --> 00:07:41.315 So that's my practise. 168 00:07:41.315 --> 00:07:42.171 Great. 169 00:07:42.171 --> 00:07:44.670 (laughing) 170 00:07:44.670 --> 00:07:46.144 Thanks. 171 00:07:46.144 --> 00:07:48.727 (gentle music)