WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.540 --> 00:00:03.870 Hello, everyone, and welcome to another virtual workshop 2 00:00:03.870 --> 00:00:05.580 with the National Portrait Gallery. 3 00:00:05.580 --> 00:00:08.250 Thank you so much to everybody joining us today 4 00:00:08.250 --> 00:00:10.980 on Zoom and on Facebook Live. 5 00:00:10.980 --> 00:00:13.950 I can see everybody streaming in through our front doors. 6 00:00:13.950 --> 00:00:15.900 It's so exciting to see everybody. 7 00:00:15.900 --> 00:00:18.900 Thank you so much to everyone who's leaving your cameras on. 8 00:00:18.900 --> 00:00:20.940 We really love seeing all your faces, 9 00:00:20.940 --> 00:00:23.160 particularly for these workshops. 10 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.560 It's a very strange experience that we put our, 11 00:00:25.560 --> 00:00:27.810 hello, hello, thank you. 12 00:00:27.810 --> 00:00:29.580 It's a very strange experience 13 00:00:29.580 --> 00:00:31.380 that we put our artists through. 14 00:00:31.380 --> 00:00:34.350 Usually our artists are used to doing physical workshops 15 00:00:34.350 --> 00:00:36.780 where they have people here in the flesh, 16 00:00:36.780 --> 00:00:39.030 and so for you to leave your cameras on 17 00:00:39.030 --> 00:00:40.980 is actually a really lovely environment for us 18 00:00:40.980 --> 00:00:42.450 to bring them into 'cause we can see 19 00:00:42.450 --> 00:00:45.180 all your beautiful smiling faces and the wonderful art 20 00:00:45.180 --> 00:00:47.370 that you're gonna create with us today. 21 00:00:47.370 --> 00:00:48.480 My name's Gill. 22 00:00:48.480 --> 00:00:52.110 I'm very fortunate to be both living and working 23 00:00:52.110 --> 00:00:53.880 on the beautiful, and at the moment, 24 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:55.797 quite soggy lands of the Ngambri 25 00:00:55.797 --> 00:00:57.990 and Ngunnawal peoples here in Canberra. 26 00:00:57.990 --> 00:01:00.120 I'd like to pay my respects to their Elders 27 00:01:00.120 --> 00:01:02.700 past and present and also extend that same respect 28 00:01:02.700 --> 00:01:05.370 to any of the traditional custodians of the lands 29 00:01:05.370 --> 00:01:07.270 on which you're joining us from today. 30 00:01:08.160 --> 00:01:12.060 So for us, for the National Portrait Gallery staff, 31 00:01:12.060 --> 00:01:15.030 I think these digital workshops that we do with artists 32 00:01:15.030 --> 00:01:17.250 are probably some of the most exciting things 33 00:01:17.250 --> 00:01:19.560 that we get to present as part of our work here 34 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:20.393 at the Portrait Gallery. 35 00:01:20.393 --> 00:01:23.190 Don't tell anyone else that we do programmes for, 36 00:01:23.190 --> 00:01:25.680 but these workshops are pretty special for us, 37 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.260 and they're special for a couple of reasons. 38 00:01:28.260 --> 00:01:31.410 The first one we've already touched on is you, 39 00:01:31.410 --> 00:01:33.390 the community, the artistic community 40 00:01:33.390 --> 00:01:34.650 who are joining us this afternoon 41 00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:36.270 for an afternoon of, this morning, 42 00:01:36.270 --> 00:01:38.010 I don't even know what time zone I'm in at the moment, 43 00:01:38.010 --> 00:01:39.690 maybe some of you it's afternoon, 44 00:01:39.690 --> 00:01:42.510 this morning for a morning of creativity. 45 00:01:42.510 --> 00:01:44.280 So thank you all for taking the time 46 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.920 out of your busy schedules to actually refocus 47 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.950 and celebrate the arts and join in with us here 48 00:01:49.950 --> 00:01:51.420 at the Portrait Gallery. 49 00:01:51.420 --> 00:01:54.900 Now there is, we like to keep our workshops fairly casual. 50 00:01:54.900 --> 00:01:57.180 So it's not a TV production. 51 00:01:57.180 --> 00:01:59.790 This is very live, and there will be things 52 00:01:59.790 --> 00:02:02.580 that will probably go wrong or might go a bit askew 53 00:02:02.580 --> 00:02:04.860 or I might forget what I'm talking about, 54 00:02:04.860 --> 00:02:06.393 which happens frequently. 55 00:02:07.260 --> 00:02:09.510 If anything happens in the setup, 56 00:02:09.510 --> 00:02:11.910 please let us know because we've got an amazing team 57 00:02:11.910 --> 00:02:12.840 working behind the scenes. 58 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:13.950 We have Hector and Mark, 59 00:02:13.950 --> 00:02:15.810 who are working on our production deck, 60 00:02:15.810 --> 00:02:16.710 and we have Georgina, 61 00:02:16.710 --> 00:02:19.260 who's over in the corner who's managing the chat. 62 00:02:19.260 --> 00:02:21.180 Now, that chat function here on Zoom 63 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:23.160 and also the comments in Facebook 64 00:02:23.160 --> 00:02:25.110 is your connection with us today, 65 00:02:25.110 --> 00:02:26.760 and we'd love you to use it. 66 00:02:26.760 --> 00:02:29.040 So while we can't have our mics on, 67 00:02:29.040 --> 00:02:30.000 because as you can see, 68 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.800 there's hundreds of people joining us today. 69 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:33.900 It would be a little bit too noisy for us, 70 00:02:33.900 --> 00:02:37.860 but we really encourage you to engage with us in the chat, 71 00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:40.320 and I will be your voice throughout the programme. 72 00:02:40.320 --> 00:02:43.050 So if you have any questions, any comments, 73 00:02:43.050 --> 00:02:44.100 please throw them in there, 74 00:02:44.100 --> 00:02:46.230 because it makes the programme really interactive, 75 00:02:46.230 --> 00:02:49.050 and it means that you get that really direct connection 76 00:02:49.050 --> 00:02:51.330 with Caroline today and with our model 77 00:02:51.330 --> 00:02:53.670 and with our tech team, so shout out. 78 00:02:53.670 --> 00:02:56.160 If the camera angle's not working for you, let us know. 79 00:02:56.160 --> 00:02:58.680 If the sound has some kind of issue, let us know. 80 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:00.990 Or if you're absolutely loving it 81 00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:02.387 and having a great time, please also let us know, 82 00:03:02.387 --> 00:03:04.890 'cause we like those comments as well. 83 00:03:04.890 --> 00:03:07.260 Now, the second reason that I think our team 84 00:03:07.260 --> 00:03:09.390 absolutely adore bringing these programmes to you 85 00:03:09.390 --> 00:03:12.570 is the diversity of the artists that we get to work with. 86 00:03:12.570 --> 00:03:13.980 The thing is with these workshops, 87 00:03:13.980 --> 00:03:15.780 you never know what you're gonna get. 88 00:03:15.780 --> 00:03:20.780 We've had highly realistic oil painting tutorials. 89 00:03:20.940 --> 00:03:24.360 We've had sculptures made out of soap. 90 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.110 We've had photography highlights and tips. 91 00:03:28.110 --> 00:03:29.910 We've had just about every medium 92 00:03:29.910 --> 00:03:31.560 and just about every kind of artist, 93 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.070 and there's never the same workshop every single time. 94 00:03:35.070 --> 00:03:37.080 Now, this drawing workshop today is very special 95 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.140 because we have Caroline Zilinsky joining us today, 96 00:03:40.140 --> 00:03:42.720 and she has her own unique style, 97 00:03:42.720 --> 00:03:44.490 I'm sure you will have seen 98 00:03:44.490 --> 00:03:45.870 when the programme was advertised 99 00:03:45.870 --> 00:03:47.010 and you may have done a little bit 100 00:03:47.010 --> 00:03:48.090 of Googling and seen her work. 101 00:03:48.090 --> 00:03:49.530 You may be huge fans. 102 00:03:49.530 --> 00:03:50.910 I noticed some Facebook comments 103 00:03:50.910 --> 00:03:52.950 where they were saying she's an utter genius, 104 00:03:52.950 --> 00:03:54.150 and I have to say I agree. 105 00:03:54.150 --> 00:03:57.060 So why don't we introduce you to Caroline today 106 00:03:57.060 --> 00:03:58.590 and our model that we're gonna be working with, 107 00:03:58.590 --> 00:04:00.510 and then we can get into it. 108 00:04:00.510 --> 00:04:02.010 Join us, Caroline. 109 00:04:02.010 --> 00:04:03.450 I'm gonna come sit next to you. 110 00:04:03.450 --> 00:04:04.459 Hi. How are you? 111 00:04:04.459 --> 00:04:05.292 Good, thank you. 112 00:04:05.292 --> 00:04:06.270 How are you? Yeah? Good. 113 00:04:06.270 --> 00:04:07.103 That's weird, isn't it, 114 00:04:07.103 --> 00:04:09.240 'cause we've been talking for the last half an hour, 115 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:10.323 and I'm like, "How are you?" Yeah, yeah. 116 00:04:10.323 --> 00:04:12.360 It's very strange. Yeah. 117 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.297 Do you wanna tell the people a little bit about, 118 00:04:14.297 --> 00:04:16.980 you're a finalist in our Darling Portrait Prize, 119 00:04:16.980 --> 00:04:20.100 which is only open for this weekend, unfortunately. 120 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:21.240 So if anyone's in Canberra, 121 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:22.890 you might be able to pop in and see it, 122 00:04:22.890 --> 00:04:25.410 otherwise, jump on our website and have a look. 123 00:04:25.410 --> 00:04:27.200 But you're a finalist in our DPP. 124 00:04:27.200 --> 00:04:28.710 Do you wanna tell us maybe a little bit 125 00:04:28.710 --> 00:04:31.410 about the portrait that's on show at the moment? 126 00:04:31.410 --> 00:04:35.370 The painting I did was of John Feitelson, 127 00:04:35.370 --> 00:04:39.690 who's a avid art collector, supporter of, 128 00:04:39.690 --> 00:04:41.550 a huge supporter of the arts in Australia, 129 00:04:41.550 --> 00:04:44.910 and he's the publisher of "Artist Profile" magazine 130 00:04:44.910 --> 00:04:47.430 and "Art Almanack" and- 131 00:04:47.430 --> 00:04:48.870 He's a bit of a character, too, isn't he? 132 00:04:48.870 --> 00:04:52.050 Yes, he's a very unusual individual, 133 00:04:52.050 --> 00:04:55.440 and we've been friends for some time, 134 00:04:55.440 --> 00:05:00.325 and I painted his portrait, 135 00:05:00.325 --> 00:05:03.570 and what I wanted, like, we've often had 136 00:05:03.570 --> 00:05:06.390 like lengthy discussions about how, 137 00:05:06.390 --> 00:05:10.080 you know, we've had the fortune of sort of living 138 00:05:10.080 --> 00:05:12.600 two different lives in one lifetime. 139 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:17.100 Like, we've both had, like, you know, very unusual pasts. 140 00:05:17.100 --> 00:05:20.160 And so when I did his portrait, 141 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:25.160 I really wanted to try to capture the idea 142 00:05:25.230 --> 00:05:29.400 of this is the man that sits before you today 143 00:05:29.400 --> 00:05:34.400 but also embody that, you know, the wholeness of, 144 00:05:35.130 --> 00:05:38.730 you know, his life experience, which isn't that easy. 145 00:05:38.730 --> 00:05:41.550 Yeah, so, you know, you've got, 146 00:05:41.550 --> 00:05:44.370 he's seated there with the empty chair. 147 00:05:44.370 --> 00:05:47.643 And I did ask for him to be, 148 00:05:49.860 --> 00:05:53.493 well, I asked if he wanted to disrobe for the, 149 00:05:55.050 --> 00:05:57.480 it was up to him for the sitting. 150 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:02.040 And he said he'll be shirtless, 151 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:03.640 and that was it, which was fine. 152 00:06:05.554 --> 00:06:08.310 And yes, he got COVID the day after 153 00:06:08.310 --> 00:06:09.450 and lost a whole lot of weight, 154 00:06:09.450 --> 00:06:13.590 so he was quite disappointed with his girth. 155 00:06:13.590 --> 00:06:15.243 But yeah, that was okay. 156 00:06:16.080 --> 00:06:20.850 Yeah, and yeah, and then, yeah, 157 00:06:20.850 --> 00:06:23.010 he ended up really loving the portrait. 158 00:06:23.010 --> 00:06:26.940 And we were at the opening for the Darling Portrait Prize, 159 00:06:26.940 --> 00:06:30.300 and there was, you know, all dignitaries and benefactors, 160 00:06:30.300 --> 00:06:33.600 and he was so taken by his portrait, 161 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:34.950 he took his shirt off in the middle 162 00:06:34.950 --> 00:06:39.330 of the National Portrait Gallery of Australia and ran around 163 00:06:39.330 --> 00:06:41.080 to be like his painting, yeah. I love it. 164 00:06:41.080 --> 00:06:43.560 Yeah, and is that portrait kind of indicative 165 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.320 of your style of portraiture, do you think? 166 00:06:46.320 --> 00:06:48.633 Yeah, very much so, yeah. 167 00:06:51.810 --> 00:06:56.810 Yeah, for me, I am absolutely not a realist. 168 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:03.480 I feel like for me, the process of portraiture 169 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:08.480 is in order to capture the entireness of a human being. 170 00:07:10.440 --> 00:07:14.070 For me, I feel like I have to like go 171 00:07:14.070 --> 00:07:16.320 beyond realism in a way. 172 00:07:16.320 --> 00:07:21.320 Like it's, yeah, like the question I ask myself is, 173 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:26.720 how do I capture, embody all the characters of a person, 174 00:07:27.270 --> 00:07:32.270 and a lot of what encompasses a human to me is unseen. 175 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:34.530 So it's like sort of how do you capture 176 00:07:34.530 --> 00:07:36.753 the unseen in an image, yeah. 177 00:07:37.620 --> 00:07:40.568 And is that something that we're gonna explore today, 178 00:07:40.568 --> 00:07:41.460 do you think, we'll go down that path? 179 00:07:41.460 --> 00:07:44.736 Yes, probably, and maybe not by our choice. 180 00:07:44.736 --> 00:07:46.293 (both laughing) 181 00:07:46.293 --> 00:07:47.880 So you have a really amazing philosophy. 182 00:07:47.880 --> 00:07:50.400 When I first met you, I really warmed you 183 00:07:50.400 --> 00:07:54.750 because I am a failed art student. 184 00:07:54.750 --> 00:07:57.270 I wanted to go to art school, and I never did. 185 00:07:57.270 --> 00:08:00.757 And then I gave up and I beat myself up about, you know, 186 00:08:00.757 --> 00:08:02.430 "Oh, I'm never gonna be good enough. 187 00:08:02.430 --> 00:08:04.290 I can't draw, I can't paint," 188 00:08:04.290 --> 00:08:05.880 all of those kind of things. 189 00:08:05.880 --> 00:08:08.910 But when we met, you had these sort of ideas 190 00:08:08.910 --> 00:08:11.730 about leaning into mistakes and those kind of things, 191 00:08:11.730 --> 00:08:13.447 which I suddenly thought, 192 00:08:13.447 --> 00:08:15.286 "Oh, maybe I can give it another go." 193 00:08:15.286 --> 00:08:20.286 Yeah, yeah, well, why I think that, you know, 194 00:08:20.490 --> 00:08:24.000 well, I'll start, the human mind is like an incredible, 195 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:29.000 like, we're like one of the most incredible creations, 196 00:08:29.130 --> 00:08:32.293 and the fact that we have self-awareness and, you know, 197 00:08:32.293 --> 00:08:34.170 I just think it's funny that, you know, 198 00:08:34.170 --> 00:08:37.200 like, you're given all like this genius brain, 199 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.180 every single one of us, and, you know, 200 00:08:39.180 --> 00:08:42.690 we tend to like focus on the negative and like, you know, 201 00:08:42.690 --> 00:08:47.010 like our inclination is towards suffering 202 00:08:47.010 --> 00:08:49.083 no matter what it is, even in a drawing. 203 00:08:50.070 --> 00:08:54.990 And yeah, I just think, like, for me, 204 00:08:54.990 --> 00:08:59.990 creative expression for each individual person, 205 00:09:00.422 --> 00:09:01.290 it's almost like, you know, 206 00:09:01.290 --> 00:09:04.380 like every person has their own fingerprint, 207 00:09:04.380 --> 00:09:09.240 and I feel like our capacity 208 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.500 to make and create and express ourselves 209 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:17.630 is entirely unique to each individual. 210 00:09:17.630 --> 00:09:21.540 And yeah, and I think that a lot of magic can happen 211 00:09:21.540 --> 00:09:25.020 when you just embrace your own particular style, 212 00:09:25.020 --> 00:09:27.150 like whatever that may be, 213 00:09:27.150 --> 00:09:30.750 whether it's a complete aberration, or you're like, 214 00:09:30.750 --> 00:09:34.980 you know, a recreative genius and you can, 215 00:09:34.980 --> 00:09:37.300 you know, duplicate something in exactness 216 00:09:38.400 --> 00:09:40.880 and everything in between that. 217 00:09:40.880 --> 00:09:44.130 It's like, you know, like learning to embrace 218 00:09:44.130 --> 00:09:49.020 your own particular style and whatever that may be, 219 00:09:49.020 --> 00:09:52.050 and, you know, whether it's fluid or rigid 220 00:09:52.050 --> 00:09:54.330 or, you know, I think it's like an extension 221 00:09:54.330 --> 00:09:56.730 of a person's personality, 222 00:09:56.730 --> 00:10:00.450 and yeah, it should be like a small area 223 00:10:00.450 --> 00:10:02.370 that we embrace our personalities 224 00:10:02.370 --> 00:10:04.293 rather than punish ourselves. 225 00:10:05.160 --> 00:10:08.130 Yeah, easier said than done sometimes, but yeah. 226 00:10:08.130 --> 00:10:09.300 I think with that philosophy, 227 00:10:09.300 --> 00:10:12.060 we might introduce our model and start to get into it. 228 00:10:12.060 --> 00:10:14.130 I am so excited to see what you all create 229 00:10:14.130 --> 00:10:17.340 when you embrace your own creative DNA today. 230 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:19.440 So let's try not to, 231 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.870 let's try not to mimic completely, 232 00:10:21.870 --> 00:10:23.430 or if that's your style, that's fine, too. 233 00:10:23.430 --> 00:10:25.980 Let's just explore and see what comes out. 234 00:10:25.980 --> 00:10:27.420 We'll take a walk with the line. 235 00:10:27.420 --> 00:10:28.680 How about that? Yes, brilliant. 236 00:10:28.680 --> 00:10:30.000 All right, well, I'll let you set up, 237 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.310 and we'll introduce our gorgeous model today. 238 00:10:32.310 --> 00:10:36.480 Sonya, thank you so much for agreeing to sit with us today. 239 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.160 We're very excited to have you here. 240 00:10:38.160 --> 00:10:39.030 Thank you. 241 00:10:39.030 --> 00:10:42.720 So everybody, Sonya's going to get into position now. 242 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:47.200 As embracing this idea about not necessarily 243 00:10:48.870 --> 00:10:50.490 learning to do a style 244 00:10:50.490 --> 00:10:52.260 that's exactly the same as Caroline's 245 00:10:52.260 --> 00:10:55.740 or exactly the same as a hyper-real artist 246 00:10:55.740 --> 00:10:57.630 that we might have brought to you in the past, 247 00:10:57.630 --> 00:10:59.610 but embracing your own style, 248 00:10:59.610 --> 00:11:02.250 we're gonna have a camera angle set up on Sonya, 249 00:11:02.250 --> 00:11:04.620 we're gonna keep that camera angle consistent. 250 00:11:04.620 --> 00:11:07.410 It may not be exactly the same as the camera angle 251 00:11:07.410 --> 00:11:09.420 that Caroline sees, but that doesn't matter today. 252 00:11:09.420 --> 00:11:11.130 We're just gonna, but we're not gonna move it 253 00:11:11.130 --> 00:11:13.230 so that you can actually work with Sonya 254 00:11:13.230 --> 00:11:16.140 for the whole time that we're doing the drawing. 255 00:11:16.140 --> 00:11:17.070 And we're gonna actually have 256 00:11:17.070 --> 00:11:19.140 an over-the-shoulder camera on Caroline 257 00:11:19.140 --> 00:11:21.030 so you can exactly see her style 258 00:11:21.030 --> 00:11:22.830 as it emerges on the page as well, 259 00:11:22.830 --> 00:11:24.300 and we're just gonna talk through it. 260 00:11:24.300 --> 00:11:25.983 So let's get into it. 261 00:11:28.170 --> 00:11:31.323 All right, we're just gonna reset the cameras. 262 00:11:32.160 --> 00:11:36.030 Marky's doing his, working his magic over the shoulder. 263 00:11:36.030 --> 00:11:37.080 Did you wanna have a little chat 264 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.050 about your setup that you've got beside you? 265 00:11:40.050 --> 00:11:44.467 Yep, so the main thing is I've got, 266 00:11:45.897 --> 00:11:47.220 I've got obviously the paper, 267 00:11:47.220 --> 00:11:52.050 and I tend to work on a thicker card 268 00:11:52.050 --> 00:11:55.710 because if I took, for two reasons. 269 00:11:55.710 --> 00:11:59.370 If I, one, you never know when a, 270 00:11:59.370 --> 00:12:02.220 like, I think it honours the work a little more, 271 00:12:02.220 --> 00:12:07.220 like, to use good paper, and also for practical reasons. 272 00:12:08.310 --> 00:12:11.280 If I am going to use this then to, 273 00:12:11.280 --> 00:12:13.410 as a reference for a painting, 274 00:12:13.410 --> 00:12:16.310 it needs to have a bit of thickness to be able to hold it. 275 00:12:17.324 --> 00:12:21.480 And yeah, and I've got, 276 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:23.340 I've got about 10 pencils 277 00:12:23.340 --> 00:12:27.720 that are already sharpened ready to go. 278 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:29.760 So I guess for me, the whole thing 279 00:12:29.760 --> 00:12:32.890 is that there's as little interruption as possible 280 00:12:34.170 --> 00:12:39.170 when I'm focusing on the drawing, and yeah, that's about it. 281 00:12:39.690 --> 00:12:44.340 Yeah, so all the tools next to me, and yeah. 282 00:12:44.340 --> 00:12:45.510 All right, so people, make sure 283 00:12:45.510 --> 00:12:47.790 that you lock the dogs in the next room 284 00:12:47.790 --> 00:12:51.270 and the kids in their bedrooms so that we can focus 285 00:12:51.270 --> 00:12:53.760 on our drawing for the next couple of hours. 286 00:12:53.760 --> 00:12:55.230 I'll just check in with the tech team 287 00:12:55.230 --> 00:12:58.920 to make sure everything's going okay and we're all good. 288 00:12:58.920 --> 00:13:01.680 Yep, okay, we might just start getting into it. 289 00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:05.100 Now, any questions or comments and things will, 290 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:07.830 oh, somebody's noticed your socks, Sonya, isn't that great? 291 00:13:07.830 --> 00:13:09.333 I noticed your socks as well. 292 00:13:14.430 --> 00:13:16.080 And yeah, the only other thing 293 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.860 I should say is, yeah, I guess I'm gonna focus 294 00:13:19.860 --> 00:13:23.640 on where to compose the, yeah, 295 00:13:23.640 --> 00:13:25.590 what I'm gonna include and not include. 296 00:13:25.590 --> 00:13:28.137 Like, if it's a close-up or a full body, I'm gonna- 297 00:13:28.137 --> 00:13:30.180 Oh, good point. Try to do a full body. 298 00:13:30.180 --> 00:13:34.020 So yeah, I'm just thinking where I'll begin the face 299 00:13:34.020 --> 00:13:36.450 so that the beautiful socks don't end up 300 00:13:36.450 --> 00:13:39.300 on another piece of paper and I've run out of room, yeah. 301 00:13:42.827 --> 00:13:44.983 You ready, Sonya? Feel comfortable? 302 00:14:58.230 --> 00:15:00.210 And we've already noticed 303 00:15:00.210 --> 00:15:01.590 a few adjustments coming through, 304 00:15:01.590 --> 00:15:03.570 so we're gonna make a few adjustments for people. 305 00:15:03.570 --> 00:15:07.050 So we think that it'll be good 306 00:15:07.050 --> 00:15:08.610 if you'd be able to get a bit more 307 00:15:08.610 --> 00:15:10.350 of a full-body shot on Sonya, 308 00:15:10.350 --> 00:15:12.930 'cause that's what Caroline is working with. 309 00:15:12.930 --> 00:15:16.320 So we might just pull that camera back a little bit 310 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.963 so that you get a little bit more of Sonya included, 311 00:15:20.010 --> 00:15:22.168 and hopefully that will be not too disruptive. 312 00:15:22.168 --> 00:15:23.001 Not too much, of course, not too much. 313 00:15:23.001 --> 00:15:24.720 Not too much, okay, good. 314 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.220 Well, we won't do it too much. 315 00:15:27.390 --> 00:15:28.533 How are we there? 316 00:15:34.500 --> 00:15:35.640 Is that looking good? People say are saying 317 00:15:35.640 --> 00:15:37.917 that they're on a laptop, and it's too tiny. 318 00:15:37.917 --> 00:15:39.480 Ah, okay, all right. 319 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.060 Well, we might have to, let's start with the head, 320 00:15:42.060 --> 00:15:44.310 and then we might see if Caroline starts to move 321 00:15:44.310 --> 00:15:46.350 to other aspects, then we might zoom out 322 00:15:46.350 --> 00:15:47.220 a little bit too far. 323 00:15:47.220 --> 00:15:50.853 That's a bit too far, Marky, come in a bit. 324 00:15:54.090 --> 00:15:56.370 Yeah, I can see a few people peering at the screen. 325 00:15:56.370 --> 00:15:58.570 So we might leave it as it is at the moment, 326 00:15:59.503 --> 00:16:01.290 and then we'll work with that as we go. 327 00:16:01.290 --> 00:16:03.157 These are the things that we're always encountering 328 00:16:03.157 --> 00:16:05.883 (laughs) with different people's techniques. 329 00:16:25.230 --> 00:16:27.330 Caroline, you're working on the face at the moment, 330 00:16:27.330 --> 00:16:30.483 aren't you? Yeah. 331 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:34.560 Probably want- Caroline needs a lot 332 00:16:34.560 --> 00:16:36.480 of concentration for the face. 333 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.730 We're gonna start talking through the process 334 00:16:40.020 --> 00:16:42.813 once we've managed to get a face on the page. 335 00:16:45.690 --> 00:16:48.540 But I can see everybody busily working away. 336 00:16:48.540 --> 00:16:51.093 It's lovely to see people sketching and exploring, 337 00:17:02.640 --> 00:17:04.800 We'll continue to tweak our cameras 338 00:17:04.800 --> 00:17:06.210 and our angles to make sure 339 00:17:06.210 --> 00:17:09.843 that we get the best possible result for everybody. 340 00:17:25.710 --> 00:17:30.710 Ah, oh good. 341 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.527 Thanks, Erica, it's good to get feedback from people. 342 00:19:02.580 --> 00:19:03.870 I think we've had a few questions 343 00:19:03.870 --> 00:19:08.130 about the type of pencils that Caroline is using. 344 00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:10.263 I think they're mainly all HBs. 345 00:19:11.970 --> 00:19:15.420 So I'm using Columbia Copperplate HB, 346 00:19:15.420 --> 00:19:20.420 and what I've found is that like for drawing, to get like a, 347 00:19:20.730 --> 00:19:24.840 like, the difference in different brands is, 348 00:19:24.840 --> 00:19:29.010 like, the variation of HB in different brands 349 00:19:29.010 --> 00:19:32.453 almost goes from like a F to a 2B, like or 4B. 350 00:19:36.600 --> 00:19:38.880 So I've just, these are the ones 351 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:43.350 that have the best for me for my, what I like to have, 352 00:19:43.350 --> 00:19:46.590 yeah, is the softness appropriate 353 00:19:46.590 --> 00:19:48.270 for the paper sort of thing. 354 00:19:48.270 --> 00:19:49.260 Oh, well, there you go. 355 00:19:49.260 --> 00:19:51.030 Here was I thinking a pencil is a pencil, 356 00:19:51.030 --> 00:19:52.323 but absolutely not. 357 00:19:56.730 --> 00:19:59.340 Be interesting to hear if anybody out there is working, 358 00:19:59.340 --> 00:20:01.140 if everybody's working in pencil. 359 00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:03.240 I know that we sent through a little list 360 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.170 as part of the programme development, sorry, 361 00:20:07.170 --> 00:20:09.180 the programme listing of materials. 362 00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:10.500 But there may be people out there 363 00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:13.170 who've embraced their inner creativity 364 00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:15.990 and are using a charcoal or something else as well 365 00:20:15.990 --> 00:20:17.822 to participate today. 366 00:20:17.822 --> 00:20:19.260 So let us know what you're using 367 00:20:19.260 --> 00:20:22.230 and what you're experiencing 368 00:20:22.230 --> 00:20:24.543 when that line is coming out into your paper. 369 00:20:26.355 --> 00:20:27.360 Is there anything that you're noticing 370 00:20:27.360 --> 00:20:30.333 that is working for you or not working for you? 371 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:43.650 Oh, another question that I have no idea how to answer. 372 00:20:43.650 --> 00:20:45.993 Is the paper cold-pressed or hot-pressed? 373 00:20:47.520 --> 00:20:48.353 Is that the question? 374 00:20:48.353 --> 00:20:50.160 Are they talking about their coffee or? 375 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:52.270 Oh, (laughs) maybe they are. 376 00:20:52.270 --> 00:20:54.033 Maybe I've misread that, hang on. 377 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:56.210 It's Canson. 378 00:20:57.630 --> 00:21:01.590 I think it's 300, 200-gram or 300-gram paper. 379 00:21:01.590 --> 00:21:02.423 Ah ha. 380 00:21:14.820 --> 00:21:16.560 Tammy's making Sonya look like a man. 381 00:21:16.560 --> 00:21:18.120 I think that's perfectly fine. 382 00:21:18.120 --> 00:21:18.970 Yes. 383 00:21:20.760 --> 00:21:22.613 Maybe not for Sonya, but. 384 00:21:25.137 --> 00:21:26.130 (laughs) Maybe not for Sonya. 385 00:21:26.130 --> 00:21:28.560 We did warn Sonya before she came in today 386 00:21:28.560 --> 00:21:32.580 that everybody was going to be experiencing 387 00:21:32.580 --> 00:21:35.400 their version of her in a different way 388 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.670 and that things may not be hyper-real or as, 389 00:21:38.670 --> 00:21:40.170 but every, it's always like that, isn't it? 390 00:21:40.170 --> 00:21:42.030 We don't know how we appear to other people. 391 00:21:42.030 --> 00:21:45.570 So I think it's a fascinating process to sit for a portrait 392 00:21:45.570 --> 00:21:48.420 that people are gonna explore their own creativity with. 393 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:49.503 It's very exciting. 394 00:21:52.350 --> 00:21:54.003 I'm loving that arm, Caroline. 395 00:22:09.930 --> 00:22:11.043 Such an elegant arm. 396 00:22:25.590 --> 00:22:28.500 Depending on how far through the drawing we get, 397 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:30.810 we might end up adding colour, is that correct? 398 00:22:30.810 --> 00:22:35.130 Yeah, yeah, if are people happy to add colour. 399 00:22:35.130 --> 00:22:35.963 Yep. 400 00:22:35.963 --> 00:22:38.970 It's not something I would normally do. 401 00:22:38.970 --> 00:22:43.970 I would normally add the colour 402 00:22:44.370 --> 00:22:48.630 at the painting stage, but I'm happy to give it a go. 403 00:22:48.630 --> 00:22:49.480 Awesome. 404 00:23:23.910 --> 00:23:26.880 Oh, we've got people working with archival markers as well. 405 00:23:27.794 --> 00:23:29.627 Oh, nice. 406 00:24:36.860 --> 00:24:40.023 So I'm hesitating on the line, 'cause I wondering, do I, 407 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:47.000 this is where I would, do I sort of shift from realism to, 408 00:24:50.430 --> 00:24:54.570 yes, like, what am I trying, gonna say with the, 409 00:24:54.570 --> 00:24:57.090 what am I trying to say, and do I, you know, 410 00:24:57.090 --> 00:24:58.860 then go to what I'm trying to say, 411 00:24:58.860 --> 00:25:01.710 or do I follow what's in front of me sort of thing. 412 00:25:01.710 --> 00:25:02.700 I might come back to it. 413 00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:04.177 So that's your thought process. 414 00:25:04.177 --> 00:25:05.640 Yeah. It's like do I start, 415 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.740 do I, when every time you make a line, 416 00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.480 it's like, do I follow the reality 417 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.370 of what my eyes are seeing in front of me, 418 00:25:11.370 --> 00:25:14.940 or do, I shift it somewhere where I, 419 00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:16.857 is that the thought process? Yeah, yeah. 420 00:25:16.857 --> 00:25:20.373 Or do I like turn this now into, yeah. 421 00:25:23.520 --> 00:25:24.353 So for... 422 00:25:31.577 --> 00:25:33.300 And do you find drawing 423 00:25:33.300 --> 00:25:34.830 is a meditative process for you, 424 00:25:34.830 --> 00:25:36.333 Caroline, in terms of just- 425 00:25:36.333 --> 00:25:41.333 Yeah, I think the whole artistic process if, 426 00:25:42.090 --> 00:25:44.820 yeah, I have no control over my life, 427 00:25:44.820 --> 00:25:46.860 so at least I could control what's happening here. 428 00:25:46.860 --> 00:25:48.727 Okay. To a certain extent. 429 00:25:48.727 --> 00:25:51.505 (laughs) Which I can't at all, 430 00:25:51.505 --> 00:25:52.955 that's all an illusion, yeah. 431 00:26:05.130 --> 00:26:08.100 I wonder if people are finding it an interesting, 432 00:26:08.100 --> 00:26:13.100 if they are following the line creation style of drawing. 433 00:26:13.800 --> 00:26:16.710 Sonya, I'm wondering if they're finding it different 434 00:26:16.710 --> 00:26:21.180 or more difficult or easier than perhaps a previous process 435 00:26:21.180 --> 00:26:23.760 of kind of shapes and blocking out shapes 436 00:26:23.760 --> 00:26:24.780 that you might have used 437 00:26:24.780 --> 00:26:26.940 when you're creating portraits before, 438 00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:30.210 whether this idea of letting a line wander across the page 439 00:26:30.210 --> 00:26:32.733 is liberating for you or challenging for you. 440 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.583 Liberating, that's great, Marlena. 441 00:27:03.030 --> 00:27:05.580 Often when we have kids programmes, 442 00:27:05.580 --> 00:27:07.855 that's why we have replacement pencils. 443 00:27:07.855 --> 00:27:08.910 (Caroline and Gill laugh) 444 00:27:08.910 --> 00:27:10.470 Often when we have kids programmes, 445 00:27:10.470 --> 00:27:13.740 this is the kind of style of line drawing 446 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:16.323 that we might get the kids to do when they warm up, 447 00:27:17.284 --> 00:27:18.720 and we sort of tell them just, 448 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:20.970 oh, actually you know what the A&L people do 449 00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:24.060 when they take a line drawing class? 450 00:27:24.060 --> 00:27:26.490 I've seen them do this project before. 451 00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:29.940 They get people to draw blind, so they close their eyes, 452 00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:32.250 but they're not allowed to lift the pencil from the page. 453 00:27:32.250 --> 00:27:35.220 And so they just sort of draw 454 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:36.690 whatever's in their imagination 455 00:27:36.690 --> 00:27:39.900 and let their hand move independently of their eyes, 456 00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:42.600 which is always a very interesting result for people 457 00:27:42.600 --> 00:27:44.040 when they take a look. 458 00:27:44.040 --> 00:27:47.859 Mm, when I was, I got quite sick for a while, 459 00:27:47.859 --> 00:27:51.210 and I actually had to learn how to walk again and- 460 00:27:51.210 --> 00:27:52.043 Oh, my gosh! 461 00:27:52.043 --> 00:27:54.897 Yeah, a whole lot of stuff 462 00:27:54.897 --> 00:27:59.897 and like feed myself, and I spent, I think, 463 00:28:00.030 --> 00:28:03.990 like the whole, like confronting an empty page 464 00:28:03.990 --> 00:28:08.313 was so daunting that I, yeah, I spent a year. 465 00:28:09.270 --> 00:28:12.240 I'd start like drawing with my eyes closed, 466 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.023 and it just sort of helped, yeah. 467 00:28:18.229 --> 00:28:20.100 Like, I think it, I think once you've sort of made 468 00:28:20.100 --> 00:28:22.680 a few marks on a page, you know, 469 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.940 you're less anxious about what may or may not happen. 470 00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:31.560 And yeah, I think it's almost relaxing in a way 471 00:28:31.560 --> 00:28:35.160 'cause you're completely, you let go of the outcome 472 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:36.783 of what might occur. 473 00:28:38.670 --> 00:28:41.460 That's such an interesting philosophy. 474 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:43.380 I actually have heard quite a few artists say 475 00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:45.690 that the idea of starting with a blank canvas 476 00:28:45.690 --> 00:28:48.450 or a blank page is intimidating, 477 00:28:48.450 --> 00:28:50.460 and once they get that first little bit down, 478 00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:52.530 then you can, you sort of have an anchor 479 00:28:52.530 --> 00:28:53.680 that you can work with. 480 00:28:56.940 --> 00:29:00.013 Especially when it's being recorded. (laughs) 481 00:29:17.575 --> 00:29:18.840 Francis has said that the intro 482 00:29:18.840 --> 00:29:20.820 about embracing mistakes was very important 483 00:29:20.820 --> 00:29:23.103 to set the scene for freeing up her style. 484 00:29:24.600 --> 00:29:27.390 Same. (laughs) 485 00:29:27.390 --> 00:29:29.540 It's like an insurance, can't go too wrong. 486 00:29:40.425 --> 00:29:42.320 I can confirm that, Donna. 487 00:29:42.320 --> 00:29:45.090 So Caroline, because we're wanting to keep the focus 488 00:29:45.090 --> 00:29:48.090 on the hand and the model at the moment 489 00:29:48.090 --> 00:29:51.870 and so you can see, you can observe how Caroline 490 00:29:51.870 --> 00:29:54.600 goes about her mark-making on the page, 491 00:29:54.600 --> 00:29:57.240 we don't have a front-facing camera on Caroline's face, 492 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.120 but she is constantly, I can confirm, 493 00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:03.210 rechecking and looking as she's drawing. 494 00:30:03.210 --> 00:30:06.240 So she's off, her eyes are flicking 495 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.035 up and back constantly. 496 00:30:08.035 --> 00:30:13.035 Yeah, and yeah, I think it's, 497 00:30:14.970 --> 00:30:19.970 I'm just sort of, yeah, I kind of pick one. 498 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:25.880 To begin, I pick one sort of spot on the face, 499 00:30:26.580 --> 00:30:28.140 be it an eye or an eyebrow, 500 00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:32.700 and just sort of do everything relative to that, 501 00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:36.240 so every angle relative to that, yeah. 502 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:41.240 Okay, and it doesn't matter if it starts to get, 503 00:30:42.060 --> 00:30:44.580 if perspective gets skewed or if things start to move out 504 00:30:44.580 --> 00:30:46.080 of place. Yeah. 505 00:30:46.080 --> 00:30:50.550 Yeah, I sort of, well, I kind of believe 506 00:30:50.550 --> 00:30:53.970 that whatever occurs in this moment 507 00:30:53.970 --> 00:30:56.040 is as it's meant to be. 508 00:30:56.040 --> 00:30:59.670 And you know, this is the mark, 509 00:30:59.670 --> 00:31:03.750 like to trust that whatever comes out, 510 00:31:03.750 --> 00:31:05.850 there's a reason for why it's coming out. 511 00:31:05.850 --> 00:31:07.620 Okay. So to sort of let go 512 00:31:07.620 --> 00:31:12.120 of my own analysis of it and just sort of let it, 513 00:31:12.120 --> 00:31:17.100 yeah, occur, whatever it may be, yeah. 514 00:31:17.100 --> 00:31:18.930 That's fascinating 'cause we're not, 515 00:31:18.930 --> 00:31:20.100 we're never given that freedom 516 00:31:20.100 --> 00:31:21.780 when we're taught how to do art, are we? 517 00:31:21.780 --> 00:31:23.090 No! 518 00:31:23.090 --> 00:31:23.923 Well, I certainly wasn't, 519 00:31:23.923 --> 00:31:26.310 I don't know about everyone on the screen. 520 00:31:26.310 --> 00:31:27.840 Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, 521 00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:31.863 it's, yeah, there's just no like, 522 00:31:32.820 --> 00:31:35.820 yeah, I think it's interesting, you know, 523 00:31:35.820 --> 00:31:36.870 if you just let yourself sort of go, 524 00:31:36.870 --> 00:31:41.430 okay, well you can analyse it later 525 00:31:41.430 --> 00:31:43.893 why things may or may not have occurred. 526 00:31:46.470 --> 00:31:51.330 And yeah, you know, how you feel on that day, 527 00:31:51.330 --> 00:31:53.640 well, what's going on in your life might affect, you know, 528 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:58.350 how something, you know, why something comes out 529 00:31:58.350 --> 00:32:01.523 the way it does, and yeah. 530 00:32:01.523 --> 00:32:02.356 And that's okay, too. 531 00:32:02.356 --> 00:32:03.330 Yeah. Huh. 532 00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:22.980 How many sketches would you normally make for a particular 533 00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:24.390 portrait work? One. 534 00:32:24.390 --> 00:32:26.371 One, I love it. One, 535 00:32:26.371 --> 00:32:28.413 and that's the one I work from, yeah. 536 00:32:32.820 --> 00:32:34.950 Yeah, that's why it's like, 537 00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:39.950 like there was this one lady that I sketched, 538 00:32:42.360 --> 00:32:44.010 Anthea Pilko, that was actually 539 00:32:44.010 --> 00:32:49.010 for the Portia Geach, 540 00:32:49.567 --> 00:32:50.880 "Anthea May or May Not," 541 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.880 and it was the most atrocious sketch. 542 00:32:57.608 --> 00:32:58.441 (Gill laughs) 543 00:32:58.441 --> 00:33:00.540 I thought, "What am I doing? 544 00:33:00.540 --> 00:33:03.339 I should've been a cleaner," but- 545 00:33:03.339 --> 00:33:04.770 (Gill and Caroline laugh) 546 00:33:04.770 --> 00:33:06.093 And I used it. 547 00:33:07.411 --> 00:33:09.840 I just stayed with that rule of like, just, 548 00:33:09.840 --> 00:33:11.973 that's what came out and just use it, 549 00:33:12.990 --> 00:33:14.730 and, you know, I'd made her look 550 00:33:14.730 --> 00:33:17.550 like half horse, half giraffe, 551 00:33:17.550 --> 00:33:20.070 and yeah, won the Portia Geach. 552 00:33:20.070 --> 00:33:22.620 So, but it was like, yeah, 553 00:33:22.620 --> 00:33:25.003 it was a shocking, shocking picture. 554 00:33:25.003 --> 00:33:27.365 (both laughing) 555 00:33:27.365 --> 00:33:30.500 But yeah, I just feel like there's a honesty in, 556 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.370 you know, working with what you have sort of thing. 557 00:33:35.370 --> 00:33:40.260 Yep, and your process of then moving to painting, 558 00:33:40.260 --> 00:33:43.800 would you then just work off that sketch? 559 00:33:43.800 --> 00:33:45.750 Yeah, I just look at the sketch 560 00:33:45.750 --> 00:33:50.130 and yeah, to try to turn it into, 561 00:33:50.130 --> 00:33:54.993 try to keep like as true to the line as possible, yeah. 562 00:34:45.720 --> 00:34:47.889 So we're already half an hour 563 00:34:47.889 --> 00:34:50.970 into our sketching. Oh, god! 564 00:34:50.970 --> 00:34:54.000 How long do these sketches usually take? 565 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.660 Or is that like asking how long is a piece of string? 566 00:34:57.660 --> 00:34:59.850 Normally if I go to sketch someone, 567 00:34:59.850 --> 00:35:03.243 I'll say, like, reserve an hour, 568 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:09.240 but like to sort of hold that particular pose. 569 00:35:09.240 --> 00:35:10.073 Yes. 570 00:35:12.164 --> 00:35:14.831 And yeah, it takes- 571 00:35:16.680 --> 00:35:17.610 Takes as long as it takes. 572 00:35:17.610 --> 00:35:19.740 Yeah, it takes as long as it takes and everything. 573 00:35:19.740 --> 00:35:23.190 But yeah, is everyone going okay? 574 00:35:23.190 --> 00:35:24.600 I think, I will ask them. 575 00:35:24.600 --> 00:35:26.220 I think, how is everyone going? 576 00:35:26.220 --> 00:35:27.690 Is everyone exploring their? 577 00:35:27.690 --> 00:35:30.123 Yep, we get thumbs up there, thank you. 578 00:35:31.230 --> 00:35:33.210 I can see a lot of your faces up there. 579 00:35:33.210 --> 00:35:35.460 So we will hold this pose for the hour, 580 00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:36.330 yeah, Caroline? 581 00:35:36.330 --> 00:35:37.680 Yeah. Yeah, great. 582 00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:39.838 So Sonya's a trooper. 583 00:35:39.838 --> 00:35:40.740 (laughs) Thanks, Sonya. 584 00:35:40.740 --> 00:35:42.953 She's had her Wheaties this morning. 585 00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:56.640 We've seen a few examples of your work, 586 00:35:56.640 --> 00:35:57.960 Caroline, that you've shown us. 587 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.230 And Georg, who's managing the chat, 588 00:36:01.230 --> 00:36:05.070 will be able to drop some of those into the chat 589 00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:08.730 and comments so that they can have a little look 590 00:36:08.730 --> 00:36:13.530 at some extra examples of your work in between sketching. 591 00:36:13.530 --> 00:36:15.253 Or if they, you know, wanna have a look, 592 00:36:15.253 --> 00:36:16.563 a little look later on they can 593 00:36:16.563 --> 00:36:18.413 when they have a break, a cup of tea. 594 00:36:20.430 --> 00:36:24.120 So I guess the thing that strikes me about your work 595 00:36:24.120 --> 00:36:27.660 is that not only is your style completely unique 596 00:36:27.660 --> 00:36:30.510 and enthralling, I absolutely adore it, 597 00:36:30.510 --> 00:36:33.210 I think it's probably one of my favourite styles 598 00:36:33.210 --> 00:36:34.230 that I've come across. 599 00:36:34.230 --> 00:36:36.270 That's quite an honour. 600 00:36:36.270 --> 00:36:38.970 But you seem to meet 601 00:36:38.970 --> 00:36:42.390 the most incredible mixture of people. 602 00:36:42.390 --> 00:36:44.790 Do you go seeking interesting people, 603 00:36:44.790 --> 00:36:47.940 or is it just that they happen to land on you? 604 00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:49.740 Or do you, is it just that you find 605 00:36:49.740 --> 00:36:51.690 the interesting in ordinary people? 606 00:36:51.690 --> 00:36:55.445 Yeah, I think they're probably quite dull. 607 00:36:55.445 --> 00:36:57.210 (both laughing) 608 00:36:57.210 --> 00:37:01.773 No, yeah, I think everybody has like, 609 00:37:02.618 --> 00:37:04.440 you know, like is quite fascinating. 610 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.390 I mean, like, there's certain people that would definitely, 611 00:37:08.940 --> 00:37:13.020 you know, I think everyone, I don't know, 612 00:37:13.020 --> 00:37:14.420 I just think it's like such, 613 00:37:15.541 --> 00:37:18.240 so remarkable that any of us exist 614 00:37:18.240 --> 00:37:22.350 on this like peculiar and hurtling planet 615 00:37:22.350 --> 00:37:26.610 and, you know, how people survive. 616 00:37:26.610 --> 00:37:29.040 You know, like ultimately how people, 617 00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:30.510 you know, what people make of their lives 618 00:37:30.510 --> 00:37:31.470 and how they survive. 619 00:37:31.470 --> 00:37:35.883 And it's such a curiosity and yeah, it's fascinating. 620 00:37:38.070 --> 00:37:39.670 Yeah, I think 621 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:46.020 a lot of painting for me is a result 622 00:37:46.020 --> 00:37:50.220 of like not quite feeling that I can exist in the world, 623 00:37:50.220 --> 00:37:55.220 so I just observe it instead, and yeah, I really enjoy, 624 00:37:58.530 --> 00:38:02.190 yes, I guess, if you're looking through that lens, 625 00:38:02.190 --> 00:38:05.880 you know, everyone's quite interesting. 626 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.353 But there's definitely been, 627 00:38:08.255 --> 00:38:11.250 I go to the same coffee shop every morning in Sydney, 628 00:38:11.250 --> 00:38:16.080 and I wake up really early, and I go there quite early, 629 00:38:16.080 --> 00:38:19.333 and there's always, I think, you know, 630 00:38:19.333 --> 00:38:24.240 it's such a strange grouping of people there, 631 00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:29.109 and a lot of my subjects have actually come from that cafe, 632 00:38:29.109 --> 00:38:33.210 just observing them, and yeah, and asking 633 00:38:33.210 --> 00:38:38.210 if like if I can paint them or like having conversations, 634 00:38:39.090 --> 00:38:40.931 and then they find out you're an artist and they go, 635 00:38:40.931 --> 00:38:43.620 "Oh, do you wanna paint me?" 636 00:38:43.620 --> 00:38:46.200 And I think, "Oh, okay, why not?" (laughs) 637 00:38:46.200 --> 00:38:49.623 Is anyone particularly surprised by the outcome? 638 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.357 Yes, usually. 639 00:38:52.357 --> 00:38:53.820 (both laughing) 640 00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:58.560 I've had a few like shrieks of horror, yeah. 641 00:38:58.560 --> 00:39:00.240 I think people are very, 642 00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:03.450 I think people have a very particular idea 643 00:39:03.450 --> 00:39:06.540 of how they appear. 644 00:39:06.540 --> 00:39:10.113 Yes, yes. And they like to, 645 00:39:11.100 --> 00:39:15.960 it's quite confronting to be depicted in a way, 646 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.723 you know, other than what you, 647 00:39:20.113 --> 00:39:21.773 you know, what you think you appear as. 648 00:39:24.035 --> 00:39:27.570 And like, I remember I had a run for a year 649 00:39:27.570 --> 00:39:30.600 of like people being like mortified 650 00:39:30.600 --> 00:39:32.850 by how they'd been painted and, you know, 651 00:39:32.850 --> 00:39:36.273 some very, I had one lady, I won't say who it was, 652 00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:40.230 I painted her, and when, 653 00:39:40.230 --> 00:39:44.910 so she's quite an important figure in Australia, 654 00:39:44.910 --> 00:39:47.790 done a lot, tirelessly worked for, you know, 655 00:39:47.790 --> 00:39:49.290 communities and, you know, 656 00:39:49.290 --> 00:39:51.480 the betterment of Australia's society. 657 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.510 And she was an hour and a half late for the sitting, 658 00:39:54.510 --> 00:39:57.120 and she'd just arrived back from Newcastle, 659 00:39:57.120 --> 00:39:59.763 and she was sitting in this brown Parker chair in a, 660 00:40:00.973 --> 00:40:01.806 I don't wanna give away too much, 661 00:40:01.806 --> 00:40:03.300 and you know, in an outfit, 662 00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:06.960 and fell asleep in the chair while I was drawing her. 663 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.510 So I drew her sort of semi-asleep 664 00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:13.563 and with all the crumples on her jacket. 665 00:40:16.117 --> 00:40:20.760 And what I was trying to portray was this woman 666 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.280 who had fought tirelessly 667 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.920 for the betterment of Australia's society 668 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.500 where most Australians wouldn't even know that 669 00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:31.020 asleep in this chair from exhaustion 670 00:40:31.020 --> 00:40:33.000 and a long-spanning career. 671 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.300 And when I finally showed her the portrait, 672 00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:38.130 I didn't get a response. 673 00:40:38.130 --> 00:40:41.677 And I said to her, I said, "She doesn't like it." 674 00:40:41.677 --> 00:40:42.750 And they're like, "No, you're being paranoid." 675 00:40:42.750 --> 00:40:44.450 I was like, "She doesn't like it." 676 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:50.160 And then I called, and she was like, "I am a happy, 677 00:40:50.160 --> 00:40:54.180 colourful, happy-go-lucky, colourful, bubbly person, 678 00:40:54.180 --> 00:40:59.070 and you have painted me as cold and malice and calculating." 679 00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:01.960 And I was like, "No, you don't understand." 680 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.060 Like, I had to explain, you know, the whole reasoning. 681 00:41:06.060 --> 00:41:07.860 But her husband really liked the painting, 682 00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:11.700 so at least someone did, yeah. 683 00:41:11.700 --> 00:41:13.653 Anyway, so you never quite know. 684 00:41:14.850 --> 00:41:17.580 I think I've heard a lot of stories, 685 00:41:17.580 --> 00:41:20.850 actually, about John Brack's sitters 686 00:41:20.850 --> 00:41:22.770 having a very similar response. 687 00:41:22.770 --> 00:41:24.330 Really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 688 00:41:24.330 --> 00:41:29.163 Sort of just not being, 689 00:41:30.666 --> 00:41:31.980 or just being surprised, I think, 690 00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:36.450 by what an artist I brings to your appearance. 691 00:41:36.450 --> 00:41:39.510 So, but the appearance that we know of ourselves 692 00:41:39.510 --> 00:41:40.830 is a construct as well. 693 00:41:40.830 --> 00:41:44.220 We don't see ourselves the way people outside of us. 694 00:41:44.220 --> 00:41:49.220 We see what we see on a selfie or in a mirror. 695 00:41:49.620 --> 00:41:52.830 But people see us in 3D, and they see us, 696 00:41:52.830 --> 00:41:54.390 you know, from their own perspective. 697 00:41:54.390 --> 00:41:57.090 So I always find it fascinating, 698 00:41:57.090 --> 00:41:58.740 our own personal responses 699 00:41:58.740 --> 00:42:01.260 to our appearance and how we look. 700 00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:05.460 Yeah, and yeah, 701 00:42:05.460 --> 00:42:10.140 like, when I had a few like issues, 702 00:42:10.140 --> 00:42:15.040 and I thought, oh, so I did a self-portrait 703 00:42:16.170 --> 00:42:17.523 through my cupboard mirror, 704 00:42:19.998 --> 00:42:23.193 and then because I'm quite a prude sort of, I don't, 705 00:42:24.570 --> 00:42:26.190 like a lot of sittings I've gone to, 706 00:42:26.190 --> 00:42:28.590 people ask to take their clothes off, and sort of, 707 00:42:28.590 --> 00:42:31.230 I'm completely shocked every single time, 708 00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:33.181 like horrified. (Gill laughing) 709 00:42:33.181 --> 00:42:34.583 But I've gotten used to it now. 710 00:42:36.180 --> 00:42:37.410 So I did this self-portrait, 711 00:42:37.410 --> 00:42:42.300 and like, I had a very similar reaction to, 712 00:42:42.300 --> 00:42:47.110 like, I found it really confronting to do my own portrait. 713 00:42:47.110 --> 00:42:48.840 Okay. Yeah. 714 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.033 Because again, it's like, you know, 715 00:42:53.577 --> 00:42:56.400 I think, yeah, it's that thing if you have a perception 716 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.610 and I guess it's a fluid perception of self, 717 00:42:59.610 --> 00:43:03.303 and I mean, a painting or a photograph is a very one, 718 00:43:05.490 --> 00:43:08.820 it's not fluid, it's a static presentation. 719 00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:12.180 So it's again, that thing of how do you capture 720 00:43:12.180 --> 00:43:14.070 the entirety of the person, 721 00:43:14.070 --> 00:43:19.070 like, you know, in a static image. 722 00:43:22.183 --> 00:43:23.310 Yeah, and I think- Actually- 723 00:43:23.310 --> 00:43:24.420 Yeah. Oh, sorry. 724 00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:27.360 I think the, I do think artists do bring 725 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:32.250 a lot of their own personality 726 00:43:32.250 --> 00:43:36.573 and experience to the interpretation of a painting. 727 00:43:38.850 --> 00:43:41.670 That leads into your, to a discussion of your, 728 00:43:41.670 --> 00:43:43.920 the symbolism and in your, 729 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.420 that you bring into your portraits, too. 730 00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:47.826 There's always little hidden symbols, isn't there? 731 00:43:47.826 --> 00:43:49.113 Yeah, yeah, I think, 732 00:43:51.570 --> 00:43:56.570 yeah, it's almost like a decoding of the person. 733 00:43:57.030 --> 00:44:01.500 And I'm also aware that, you know, 734 00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:04.830 especially like if it's a commissioned work, 735 00:44:04.830 --> 00:44:08.400 or even when it's not a commissioned work that, you know, 736 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.625 hopefully it doesn't end up in a U-Haul bin. 737 00:44:11.625 --> 00:44:14.370 (Gill laughs) But you know, 738 00:44:14.370 --> 00:44:17.133 an individual is going to be living with this. 739 00:44:19.200 --> 00:44:21.120 I mean, the whole communication of art 740 00:44:21.120 --> 00:44:24.750 is that it's observed, and so, you know, 741 00:44:24.750 --> 00:44:29.750 how does the painting give more than the initial, 742 00:44:29.790 --> 00:44:31.530 you know, like you have your initial, 743 00:44:31.530 --> 00:44:36.090 like that it can continue the conversation, you know, 744 00:44:36.090 --> 00:44:39.450 for a lifetime, or not a lifetime, like, but yeah. 745 00:44:39.450 --> 00:44:43.650 So it's, again, like I think there's, 746 00:44:43.650 --> 00:44:47.613 you know, like it's quite, yeah, yeah. 747 00:44:50.377 --> 00:44:51.840 Is everyone going okay? 748 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:56.280 Yeah, somebody has mentioned 749 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.560 that you appear to be pressing hard 750 00:44:58.560 --> 00:45:00.720 while drawing as opposed to sketching. 751 00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:01.830 Would you agree with that? 752 00:45:01.830 --> 00:45:04.803 Yes, I've cracked about four pencils. 753 00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:10.170 I don't know why. 754 00:45:10.170 --> 00:45:14.083 I just always end up pressing very hard, and yeah, 755 00:45:14.083 --> 00:45:15.930 I just had to go back over the face 756 00:45:15.930 --> 00:45:18.660 because the lines of the face 757 00:45:18.660 --> 00:45:22.623 were not as hard as what I'm doing now. 758 00:45:23.618 --> 00:45:26.133 Is it something about the deliberate, 759 00:45:27.347 --> 00:45:29.730 you know, you are embracing the line 760 00:45:29.730 --> 00:45:31.140 regardless of how it comes out. 761 00:45:31.140 --> 00:45:33.890 Is there something about the deliberateness of that or? 762 00:45:35.160 --> 00:45:37.800 Yes, and I think it could be actually 763 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.800 that as I concentrate, 764 00:45:43.020 --> 00:45:46.080 I don't know, maybe it's a, it could be 765 00:45:46.080 --> 00:45:48.590 as I get more anxious I press harder, 766 00:45:48.590 --> 00:45:53.590 or I don't, yeah, or maybe as I concentrate less, 767 00:45:54.270 --> 00:45:56.193 like, I don't know, it just, 768 00:45:58.890 --> 00:46:01.230 maybe as the line becomes more assured- 769 00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:02.400 Yes. 770 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.400 It gets harder, that's probably what it, 771 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.670 I'm trying to figure it out as I talk, but yeah. 772 00:46:08.670 --> 00:46:10.740 Yeah, as I'm thinking less about what I'm doing, 773 00:46:10.740 --> 00:46:13.083 the line definitely gets harder. 774 00:46:15.810 --> 00:46:17.070 Does that answer it? 775 00:46:17.070 --> 00:46:18.720 And do you use an eraser? 776 00:46:18.720 --> 00:46:19.920 No, I don't use an eraser. 777 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:20.940 I knew that was gonna be the answer, 778 00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:23.213 but I wanted to (laughs), wanted to ask it anyway. 779 00:46:23.213 --> 00:46:25.135 No rubbers and no erasers. 780 00:46:25.135 --> 00:46:26.370 (both laughing) 781 00:46:26.370 --> 00:46:31.267 Sorry, that was uncalled-for. 782 00:46:32.130 --> 00:46:33.600 Abby's finding it incredibly hard 783 00:46:33.600 --> 00:46:35.400 not to shade, which is- 784 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:39.270 Oh, I'm trying to save the shading, 785 00:46:39.270 --> 00:46:41.250 'cause you said we're halfway through, didn't you? 786 00:46:41.250 --> 00:46:42.840 So- No, we are sort of, 787 00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.560 well, sorry, we're 45 minutes in to- 788 00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:47.580 45 minutes in? 789 00:46:47.580 --> 00:46:48.413 Yes. Okay. 790 00:46:50.190 --> 00:46:55.190 I will go back and shade at some, like probably after. 791 00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:59.793 I just wanted to get most of it down first. 792 00:47:05.310 --> 00:47:09.153 And do you use a pen, a marker often or ever? 793 00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:12.720 No, I like the traditionalism. 794 00:47:12.720 --> 00:47:17.370 I like the feel and the, if I had, 795 00:47:17.370 --> 00:47:20.760 I view, like, I've used borrows before and stuff, 796 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.280 like, I guess use whatever utensil's available. 797 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.650 But I do like the, I think there's something 798 00:47:25.650 --> 00:47:29.640 very traditional with a pencil, you know, 799 00:47:29.640 --> 00:47:32.643 it harks back to like, it's such a, 800 00:47:33.990 --> 00:47:37.320 it's like the, you know, like the original. 801 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.143 It's an original source, yeah. 802 00:47:47.430 --> 00:47:48.690 One of our friends on Facebook 803 00:47:48.690 --> 00:47:51.540 wonders if you use music when you're working at all. 804 00:47:51.540 --> 00:47:53.340 No, I prefer silence 805 00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:56.943 because I feel like the music, 806 00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:04.500 I feel like music influences what you're doing. 807 00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:07.770 And, well, the only time I play music 808 00:48:07.770 --> 00:48:10.560 is I have a neighbour who blasts 809 00:48:10.560 --> 00:48:15.560 like strange Hare Krishna music every now and then, 810 00:48:16.080 --> 00:48:18.993 and I have to drown it out with my own music. 811 00:48:20.430 --> 00:48:22.053 But yeah, generally silence. 812 00:48:23.970 --> 00:48:25.920 But that's a personal preference 813 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.590 more than anything. Yeah, yeah, of course. 814 00:48:33.330 --> 00:48:34.860 I'm one of those people who's never been able 815 00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:36.990 to concentrate when there's music going on. 816 00:48:36.990 --> 00:48:38.910 I end up putting, I remember university, 817 00:48:38.910 --> 00:48:40.800 trying to write essays or trying to do a piece of work, 818 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.540 and you end up writing the lyrics to the song. 819 00:48:42.540 --> 00:48:44.314 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 820 00:48:44.314 --> 00:48:46.164 It's like, come on, focus. Yeah. 821 00:48:55.710 --> 00:48:57.847 Linda's wondering, she says, 822 00:48:57.847 --> 00:48:59.040 "From what you've already told us, 823 00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:01.050 I'm assuming you don't take a reference photo 824 00:49:01.050 --> 00:49:02.430 to take away for the painting?" 825 00:49:02.430 --> 00:49:03.827 Is that right? Yeah, I do. 826 00:49:03.827 --> 00:49:05.100 I take, I do- You do? Yep. 827 00:49:05.100 --> 00:49:07.440 Reference photos for the colour. 828 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.190 Ah. For the colours 829 00:49:11.642 --> 00:49:15.820 and if there's shadows and things like that, yeah, yeah. 830 00:49:17.490 --> 00:49:18.440 Thank you. 831 00:49:24.930 --> 00:49:26.220 If we, how long do we have? 832 00:49:26.220 --> 00:49:28.860 I'm just wondering if I do add colour or keep at pencil. 833 00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:30.530 So it's 20 past 11, 834 00:49:30.530 --> 00:49:33.180 so we have another hour and 10 minutes. 835 00:49:33.180 --> 00:49:34.247 But for this pose? 836 00:49:34.247 --> 00:49:35.633 Oh no, we have another 10 minutes for this one. 837 00:49:35.633 --> 00:49:37.511 Another 10? 838 00:49:37.511 --> 00:49:39.990 So I'm not gonna, oh, I'll see how I go. 839 00:49:39.990 --> 00:49:41.190 It's up to you Caroline, though. 840 00:49:41.190 --> 00:49:42.810 If you wanna keep going on the one, 841 00:49:42.810 --> 00:49:44.520 we can keep going on the one. 842 00:49:44.520 --> 00:49:46.020 How is everyone, are they, 843 00:49:46.020 --> 00:49:48.960 how is every, is everyone sort of done with this pose, 844 00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:53.010 or how are you feeling, you're okay? 845 00:49:53.010 --> 00:49:53.960 It's good. 846 00:49:56.310 --> 00:49:58.230 I can still see a lot of people busily working. 847 00:49:58.230 --> 00:50:01.053 Yeah, well, is there a preference 848 00:50:01.053 --> 00:50:03.750 that people would prefer to work on this for long? 849 00:50:03.750 --> 00:50:06.210 'Cause we can do a shorter pose for the last one, or. 850 00:50:06.210 --> 00:50:07.043 Okay. 851 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.320 Let's leave people to comment, and I'll take a survey 852 00:50:15.690 --> 00:50:18.190 once we've had a few people put their comments in. 853 00:50:20.220 --> 00:50:23.510 We should start a poll, shouldn't we? 854 00:50:23.510 --> 00:50:24.933 We have the technology. 855 00:50:27.210 --> 00:50:29.100 I mean now that, like, 856 00:50:29.100 --> 00:50:32.103 that you've said 10 minutes, so I'm just gonna try and, 857 00:50:34.470 --> 00:50:36.674 I'm not gonna use colour, 858 00:50:36.674 --> 00:50:40.563 and I'm gonna quickly try and add all the shading in. 859 00:50:51.390 --> 00:50:53.130 Oh, my goodness. 860 00:50:53.130 --> 00:50:55.080 We're almost straight down the middle. 861 00:50:55.080 --> 00:50:57.863 Thank you, everybody, for your comments. This is awesome. 862 00:50:59.790 --> 00:51:01.140 I think what we'll do, then, 863 00:51:01.140 --> 00:51:02.940 since we're sort of almost half-half, 864 00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:05.070 is that we'll stick to our hour and our hour. 865 00:51:05.070 --> 00:51:05.903 What do you think? 866 00:51:05.903 --> 00:51:06.870 Yep. Okay. 867 00:51:06.870 --> 00:51:08.430 So we'll do another 10 minutes on this one, 868 00:51:08.430 --> 00:51:11.790 and then we'll change to the next pose for the last hour. 869 00:51:11.790 --> 00:51:14.340 And have a lot of people used colour? 870 00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:16.830 Nobody, I don't think anyone started the colour yet, 871 00:51:16.830 --> 00:51:19.230 but they'd like to see some, if that's possible, 872 00:51:20.070 --> 00:51:20.910 if you have- 873 00:51:20.910 --> 00:51:23.100 They would like me, to see me add colour? 874 00:51:23.100 --> 00:51:23.933 A little bit. 875 00:51:23.933 --> 00:51:25.530 How long do I have? (laughs) 876 00:51:25.530 --> 00:51:26.640 Well, maybe not for this pose. 877 00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:28.920 Maybe we can have a little, we can change it up. 878 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.220 Anyway, we'll let, it will be informed by you. 879 00:51:32.520 --> 00:51:37.520 Okay, I will finish this bit and then. 880 00:51:39.150 --> 00:51:40.500 We're onto some shading now? 881 00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:41.730 That's great. Yeah, well, 882 00:51:41.730 --> 00:51:43.323 I'm just shading in the hair. 883 00:51:48.690 --> 00:51:50.250 So yeah, we'll stick to the 10 minutes more 884 00:51:50.250 --> 00:51:52.590 on this pose, and then we'll change it to another one. 885 00:51:52.590 --> 00:51:55.190 Thanks, everyone, for letting me know. That's great. 886 00:51:58.230 --> 00:51:59.670 We've had some people who are using 887 00:51:59.670 --> 00:52:02.010 some coloured oil pastels 888 00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:03.213 and pencils. Oh, wow. 889 00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:11.410 Yeah, I really like the red on red 890 00:52:12.244 --> 00:52:16.080 of Georgia's dress and, not Georgia, sorry. 891 00:52:16.080 --> 00:52:18.270 Sonya. Sonya's dress. 892 00:52:18.270 --> 00:52:21.883 I do like Georgia's outfit, too, (laughs) 893 00:52:23.640 --> 00:52:25.443 yeah, of Sonya's dress and, 894 00:52:29.160 --> 00:52:31.060 just gonna you put the fingernails in, 895 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:35.013 on the red chairs. 896 00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.970 What we'll do is when we've finished this, 897 00:52:50.970 --> 00:52:53.553 seven minutes now on this sketch, 898 00:52:54.510 --> 00:52:59.250 is we might ask our audience while we reset to another pose, 899 00:52:59.250 --> 00:53:01.980 we might ask our lovely audience to, sorry, 900 00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:05.280 audience, you're not audience, you're participants, 901 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:09.000 artists to maybe hold up some of the work 902 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:09.960 that they've been working on 903 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.630 so we can have a little look at how it's going. 904 00:53:12.630 --> 00:53:16.650 The beauty of these workshops is that we can see, 905 00:53:16.650 --> 00:53:18.300 thanks to those people who have cameras on, 906 00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:19.620 that you're all busily working, 907 00:53:19.620 --> 00:53:21.540 but we don't actually get to see what you're working on 908 00:53:21.540 --> 00:53:24.270 until we have a pause and we hold it up. 909 00:53:24.270 --> 00:53:26.100 So we'll do at the end of this pose. 910 00:53:26.100 --> 00:53:27.750 How does that sound to everybody? 911 00:53:29.250 --> 00:53:30.083 That's great. 912 00:53:34.740 --> 00:53:37.500 Such a inspiring thing to see so many people 913 00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:38.750 busily creating. Yeah. 914 00:53:41.434 --> 00:53:42.360 We've got people who are working 915 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.130 with family members we can see. 916 00:53:44.130 --> 00:53:47.730 Some people just observing, some people in studios, 917 00:53:47.730 --> 00:53:51.003 some people in their bedrooms. 918 00:53:54.750 --> 00:53:57.540 When we change poses, Michael, 919 00:53:57.540 --> 00:53:59.340 we'll let Sonya have a little look. 920 00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:00.780 She will be able to see the big screen, 921 00:54:00.780 --> 00:54:03.360 but she's determinedly keeping her eyes fixed 922 00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:04.470 for you all at the moment. 923 00:54:04.470 --> 00:54:07.263 So but when we, when I ask people to hold up, 924 00:54:08.300 --> 00:54:10.470 we'll let Sonya have a look at your creations. 925 00:54:10.470 --> 00:54:14.400 Also, if anyone wants to send through 926 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.250 some photos of their work at the end of the workshop, 927 00:54:17.250 --> 00:54:20.070 we adore that, 'cause it's not just, 928 00:54:20.070 --> 00:54:22.470 I mean, we get the fantastic view 929 00:54:22.470 --> 00:54:24.000 of being able to see everyone's work 930 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:25.230 as part of the tech team on this, 931 00:54:25.230 --> 00:54:28.503 but there's a whole team of NPG people behind the scenes, 932 00:54:29.430 --> 00:54:30.900 our access and learning staff, 933 00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:32.820 and some people who weren't able to join us today 934 00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:34.590 but were really keen to work on this workshop, 935 00:54:34.590 --> 00:54:36.660 and we'd really love to share 936 00:54:36.660 --> 00:54:38.430 some of your creations with them as well. 937 00:54:38.430 --> 00:54:41.580 So if you feel comfortable sharing your creations 938 00:54:41.580 --> 00:54:43.590 on social media, that would be awesome, 939 00:54:43.590 --> 00:54:45.660 and tag us, @portraitau. 940 00:54:45.660 --> 00:54:49.890 Otherwise, Georg is putting our email address, 941 00:54:49.890 --> 00:54:51.060 I know not everyone's comfortable 942 00:54:51.060 --> 00:54:52.230 publicly sharing their work, 943 00:54:52.230 --> 00:54:56.520 but putting our email address into the chat functions 944 00:54:56.520 --> 00:54:59.010 on both places so you can email them through, 945 00:54:59.010 --> 00:55:00.723 and we'll share them to our staff. 946 00:55:02.970 --> 00:55:04.740 There's nothing we like better 947 00:55:04.740 --> 00:55:07.113 than Monday morning show-and-tell. 948 00:55:16.350 --> 00:55:19.260 Caroline, when we first set this 949 00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:21.570 or started to work on this pose, 950 00:55:21.570 --> 00:55:25.830 you were wanting to place Sonya in an environment. 951 00:55:25.830 --> 00:55:29.160 That's a key part of your work is having somebody 952 00:55:29.160 --> 00:55:31.620 in a space or in a location. 953 00:55:31.620 --> 00:55:33.663 Yeah, well, I think, yeah, 954 00:55:35.118 --> 00:55:37.018 it can be a bit more interesting than, 955 00:55:38.970 --> 00:55:43.970 well, I just, I think this just serendipitously worked well, 956 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.280 like Sonya, the red dress, the red chairs. 957 00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.713 I liked the repetition of the chairs. 958 00:55:51.662 --> 00:55:55.867 And yeah, sometimes it can be more interesting, 959 00:55:55.867 --> 00:55:58.380 you know, to have the person in, 960 00:55:58.380 --> 00:56:00.393 I just realised I forgot her last foot, 961 00:56:03.024 --> 00:56:06.660 in an actual environment, so yeah. 962 00:56:09.660 --> 00:56:13.590 And if we had more time, I'd do the red. 963 00:56:13.590 --> 00:56:16.080 If I was to turn this into a painting as well, 964 00:56:16.080 --> 00:56:19.893 I'd do the red dress and the red chairs, yeah. 965 00:56:30.570 --> 00:56:33.280 I'm just drawing the love hearts of the socks on 966 00:56:35.160 --> 00:56:36.903 because they're very cute. 967 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:39.780 We're not able to zoom out enough, 968 00:56:39.780 --> 00:56:40.867 unfortunately. Oh, okay. 969 00:56:40.867 --> 00:56:42.720 'Cause people lose detail on there. 970 00:56:42.720 --> 00:56:44.940 Yeah, we've got, everyone has different devices. 971 00:56:44.940 --> 00:56:47.580 Some people are logging in on iPads, 972 00:56:47.580 --> 00:56:50.130 and it makes it a little bit tricky 973 00:56:50.130 --> 00:56:54.573 for us to get the distance without losing detail. 974 00:56:57.120 --> 00:57:00.450 But rest assured, there are some very lovely socks 975 00:57:00.450 --> 00:57:02.823 poking out from the bottom of that red dress. 976 00:57:42.540 --> 00:57:43.710 That's wonderful, Lisa. 977 00:57:43.710 --> 00:57:45.780 I love that you weren't able to resist the lure 978 00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:47.010 of the red in the shapes. 979 00:57:47.010 --> 00:57:50.220 Go for it. Run towards the red in the shapes. 980 00:57:50.220 --> 00:57:51.070 Yes. 981 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.783 So a couple more minutes on this pose, 982 00:58:23.130 --> 00:58:25.230 and we'll let Sonya get some circulation 983 00:58:25.230 --> 00:58:26.460 back into her legs and arms. 984 00:58:26.460 --> 00:58:28.060 Yeah, you're right. 985 00:58:57.340 --> 00:58:59.820 Sue's wondering if you treat the inorganic stuff 986 00:58:59.820 --> 00:59:01.950 like chairs exactly the same as the person 987 00:59:01.950 --> 00:59:03.400 when you're drawing the line. 988 00:59:05.040 --> 00:59:07.680 In what? Yeah, I suppose. 989 00:59:07.680 --> 00:59:09.620 Well, no, I think a person's different 990 00:59:09.620 --> 00:59:14.620 to an inanimate object, but yeah, I suppose so, yeah. 991 00:59:14.790 --> 00:59:15.750 Same treatment, though, 992 00:59:15.750 --> 00:59:17.610 in terms of drawing the line. Yeah, like these chairs 993 00:59:17.610 --> 00:59:22.230 are obviously not, it's more an impression 994 00:59:22.230 --> 00:59:24.360 as opposed to a duplicate. 995 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.214 Yeah, lovely. Yeah, yeah. 996 00:59:26.214 --> 00:59:27.356 And that's the, yeah, 997 00:59:27.356 --> 00:59:28.860 and that's the same way as we see the human. 998 00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:29.913 Yeah. Great. 999 00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:34.860 'Cause I think that's what, 1000 00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:38.010 I think if you get, I mean this is, 1001 00:59:38.010 --> 00:59:41.290 like, some people are technically thoughtless 1002 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:47.360 and obviously, you know, it's a incredible skill. 1003 00:59:48.330 --> 00:59:53.330 I think that, yeah, I think that's what the, 1004 00:59:53.430 --> 00:59:56.460 where the individual expression comes out, 1005 00:59:56.460 --> 00:59:59.013 like in just, yeah, your, 1006 00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:04.880 how your eye or your heart or your mind see an image 1007 01:00:06.780 --> 01:00:10.710 and say how you see the world as, you know? 1008 01:00:10.710 --> 01:00:11.790 Yes. As opposed to trying 1009 01:00:11.790 --> 01:00:14.431 to duplicate the world, it's just like, 1010 01:00:14.431 --> 01:00:17.973 well, this is my response to it sort of thing, yeah. 1011 01:00:23.190 --> 01:00:24.023 How long? 1012 01:00:24.023 --> 01:00:24.856 All right, we are- 1013 01:00:24.856 --> 01:00:25.689 Oh, done? 1014 01:00:25.689 --> 01:00:26.690 I think we're on time. 1015 01:00:29.190 --> 01:00:31.320 Thank you, everyone. We're gonna reset. 1016 01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:34.950 So Sonya, thank you so much. 1017 01:00:34.950 --> 01:00:36.450 What a wonderful- Thank you. 1018 01:00:36.450 --> 01:00:38.730 Rigid, I mean not rigid, that wasn't rigid at all. 1019 01:00:38.730 --> 01:00:42.210 What a wonderful still pose you held. Thank you so much. 1020 01:00:42.210 --> 01:00:44.550 Please feel free to have a little shake 1021 01:00:44.550 --> 01:00:45.383 and a move around. 1022 01:00:45.383 --> 01:00:48.660 Ooh, and Gill's just sitting casually in a chair. (laughs) 1023 01:00:48.660 --> 01:00:50.700 I'm kicking back here like having a great time 1024 01:00:50.700 --> 01:00:52.173 watching this process happen. 1025 01:00:54.030 --> 01:00:56.220 Gill, focus, so everybody, 1026 01:00:56.220 --> 01:00:59.550 I can see you up on the big screen here. 1027 01:00:59.550 --> 01:01:02.520 It would be really wonderful if you might be able 1028 01:01:02.520 --> 01:01:06.300 to hold up your creations so that we can have a look. 1029 01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:08.130 Now, get them nice and close to the screen 1030 01:01:08.130 --> 01:01:12.303 so that I can get, oh, yes, fantastic, look at that. 1031 01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:15.705 Oh, that's brilliant. Oh, wow. 1032 01:01:15.705 --> 01:01:18.540 Oh, wow, oh, my gosh. 1033 01:01:18.540 --> 01:01:21.000 Oh, look at that fantastic blocked-out red. 1034 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:22.020 I can see that some people 1035 01:01:22.020 --> 01:01:23.670 have brought the red through really strongly. 1036 01:01:23.670 --> 01:01:25.023 That is brilliant. 1037 01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:29.460 Oh, this is so exciting, so many different styles! 1038 01:01:29.460 --> 01:01:32.460 Look at all the different DNA that we've got going on there. 1039 01:01:33.600 --> 01:01:35.340 You know, I've seen some, I see some people 1040 01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:38.010 have almost reversed, and they've worked on that background 1041 01:01:38.010 --> 01:01:42.630 really hard and just left this sort of human-shaped space 1042 01:01:42.630 --> 01:01:44.733 in front, which is super exciting, too. 1043 01:01:48.210 --> 01:01:49.503 Ah, just wonderful. 1044 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.030 I'd really advise or encourage everybody to, 1045 01:01:54.030 --> 01:01:55.800 ooh, and Gill's on camera again. 1046 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:57.330 Damn. (laughs) Wow, Kathy. 1047 01:01:57.330 --> 01:01:59.396 I really need to focus. 1048 01:01:59.396 --> 01:02:00.229 Kathy, those are- I'd encourage everybody 1049 01:02:00.229 --> 01:02:02.210 to flick through on Zoom. very interesting. 1050 01:02:02.210 --> 01:02:03.660 You can see there're lots of little boxes. 1051 01:02:03.660 --> 01:02:05.250 If you can flick through using, 1052 01:02:05.250 --> 01:02:08.190 there's about five screens I think that you can get through. 1053 01:02:08.190 --> 01:02:09.390 Just flick through and have a look 1054 01:02:09.390 --> 01:02:11.460 at other people's creations 1055 01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:12.870 whilst you're holding up your own. 1056 01:02:12.870 --> 01:02:14.520 It's just such a terrific community 1057 01:02:14.520 --> 01:02:16.323 to see everybody creating together. 1058 01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.000 Oh, hello, hello, oh, so beautiful. 1059 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.853 Well done, everyone. That's exciting. 1060 01:02:25.230 --> 01:02:29.280 So we're gonna work with the same dress for the next pose, 1061 01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:31.230 but we're gonna have a different setting. 1062 01:02:31.230 --> 01:02:35.190 So I'm gonna let our guys move the cameras into position. 1063 01:02:35.190 --> 01:02:37.410 Oh, that's gorgeous. Yes, yes! 1064 01:02:37.410 --> 01:02:38.790 I wanna shout out people's names, 1065 01:02:38.790 --> 01:02:40.470 but I feel as though like some people 1066 01:02:40.470 --> 01:02:43.860 might be using their family members' iPads, 1067 01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:48.600 but there's some fantastic works coming through. 1068 01:02:48.600 --> 01:02:49.863 Thank you, everybody. 1069 01:02:51.030 --> 01:02:54.300 Glorious, oh, I love it! 1070 01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:55.980 There's some awesome orbital lines 1071 01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:58.563 coming out of that one, too, that's fantastic. 1072 01:03:00.270 --> 01:03:04.260 I love seeing everybody challenge themselves to, you know, 1073 01:03:04.260 --> 01:03:06.750 find their own style and their own personal expression. 1074 01:03:06.750 --> 01:03:08.160 This is exciting! 1075 01:03:08.160 --> 01:03:10.830 I think this is probably one of the first programmes 1076 01:03:10.830 --> 01:03:12.750 that we've done where people have been free 1077 01:03:12.750 --> 01:03:15.030 to experiment with their own style 1078 01:03:15.030 --> 01:03:18.840 instead of trying to mimic Caroline's down to a T, 1079 01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:21.780 you know, and it's exciting to see that come through. 1080 01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:23.730 I hope everybody's finding that as valuable 1081 01:03:23.730 --> 01:03:26.883 as well as we are observing it, it's terrific. 1082 01:03:29.460 --> 01:03:32.160 We've just got the cameras being relocated. 1083 01:03:32.160 --> 01:03:35.163 We're gonna get Mark to have a little look. 1084 01:03:36.450 --> 01:03:38.343 Caroline, you can talk if you like. 1085 01:03:39.630 --> 01:03:41.790 We're just trying to pick out a pose. 1086 01:03:41.790 --> 01:03:43.350 Pick out a pose, that's fine, too. 1087 01:03:43.350 --> 01:03:46.743 Oh, we've got, we can watch. Do people have opinion? 1088 01:03:46.743 --> 01:03:48.712 No, they don't- Do you want to keep her? 1089 01:03:48.712 --> 01:03:50.370 Yeah, it's okay, we'll have a chat to Caroline. 1090 01:03:50.370 --> 01:03:53.065 That's, okay, Caroline, you set her, and we'll work 1091 01:03:53.065 --> 01:03:54.540 with your decision. I guess we're being 1092 01:03:54.540 --> 01:03:55.770 a bit more organic at the, 1093 01:03:55.770 --> 01:03:58.650 we're just deciding on a second pose. 1094 01:03:58.650 --> 01:04:02.010 I guess if anyone has a preference, 1095 01:04:02.010 --> 01:04:04.920 if they'd like it more formal seated or- 1096 01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:06.330 Oh, I think we had a formal one. 1097 01:04:06.330 --> 01:04:08.670 So this one looks pretty great to me. 1098 01:04:08.670 --> 01:04:11.710 Hopefully we'll have a little look at people. 1099 01:04:11.710 --> 01:04:13.673 We're gonna get the cameras set. 1100 01:04:13.673 --> 01:04:15.000 There'll just be a little bit of fiddling 1101 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.070 while we set up the best shots. 1102 01:04:17.070 --> 01:04:18.320 Do you want me to grab a, 1103 01:04:19.632 --> 01:04:22.170 do you want me to grab another piece of paper for you? 1104 01:04:22.170 --> 01:04:23.003 Or you've got one under there. 1105 01:04:23.003 --> 01:04:24.653 I think I've got one under there. 1106 01:04:26.506 --> 01:04:29.490 Great. 1107 01:04:29.490 --> 01:04:30.323 Terrific. 1108 01:04:32.070 --> 01:04:34.765 Is that your grandmother's watch? 1109 01:04:34.765 --> 01:04:35.674 It's my grandfather's watch. (laughs) 1110 01:04:35.674 --> 01:04:37.770 Oh, your grandfather's watch, that's fantastic. 1111 01:04:37.770 --> 01:04:39.470 Oh, I'm glad that your grandfather's watch 1112 01:04:39.470 --> 01:04:40.860 is gonna be represented in these shows. 1113 01:04:40.860 --> 01:04:43.497 Well, it does match my socks, so it's good. 1114 01:04:48.298 --> 01:04:50.215 All right. It's ready. 1115 01:04:52.308 --> 01:04:53.970 You've already set your materials. 1116 01:04:53.970 --> 01:04:56.220 I'm wandering around. Oh goodness, where am I? 1117 01:04:56.220 --> 01:04:57.990 I'm standing in shot. I'm out of shot. 1118 01:04:57.990 --> 01:05:00.393 Dear me, clearly I'm not professional presenter. 1119 01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:06.213 All right, how are we going there, team? 1120 01:05:07.350 --> 01:05:08.700 Yeah, you're happy with that? 1121 01:05:08.700 --> 01:05:10.590 This fits me around, right? 1122 01:05:11.847 --> 01:05:13.620 Are we happy with that? 1123 01:05:13.620 --> 01:05:14.500 If you're happy, Caroline, we're happy. 1124 01:05:14.500 --> 01:05:16.650 Or is that very similar to, 1125 01:05:16.650 --> 01:05:17.580 is that too similar? 1126 01:05:17.580 --> 01:05:19.233 Do people have an opinion? 1127 01:05:20.177 --> 01:05:21.570 No. 1128 01:05:21.570 --> 01:05:22.403 Yeah, that's fine. 1129 01:05:22.403 --> 01:05:24.400 If we can, sorry, G, what was that? 1130 01:05:25.375 --> 01:05:27.120 If we can turn slightly. 1131 01:05:27.120 --> 01:05:28.920 Which way? 1132 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.230 Yeah, the other, yeah? 1133 01:05:31.230 --> 01:05:33.020 Yeah, that you move there. 1134 01:05:33.020 --> 01:05:34.347 How we going? 1135 01:05:34.347 --> 01:05:36.957 Oh, thank you so much, that's very kind. 1136 01:05:36.957 --> 01:05:38.933 Are people happy with that? 1137 01:05:40.621 --> 01:05:41.571 All right. 1138 01:05:43.112 --> 01:05:43.950 Okay. They're asking, 1139 01:05:43.950 --> 01:05:45.480 are you happy with another side on? 1140 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.190 We've had somebody say maybe a front. 1141 01:05:47.190 --> 01:05:48.640 Front one, yeah. 1142 01:05:49.573 --> 01:05:51.455 All right. 1143 01:05:51.455 --> 01:05:53.310 No, I'll move you, how about that? 1144 01:05:53.310 --> 01:05:56.023 That sounds like a good plan, here I am. 1145 01:05:56.023 --> 01:05:56.856 Okay. All right. 1146 01:05:56.856 --> 01:05:58.773 We'll just slightly adjust this way. 1147 01:06:01.410 --> 01:06:03.690 And how's that? 1148 01:06:03.690 --> 01:06:05.190 Are you happy with that, Caroline? 1149 01:06:05.190 --> 01:06:06.213 Yep. Good. 1150 01:06:07.380 --> 01:06:09.745 And I can hold it here, actually. 1151 01:06:09.745 --> 01:06:10.578 Yeah. 1152 01:06:10.578 --> 01:06:11.430 (Mark speaking faintly) 1153 01:06:11.430 --> 01:06:16.230 All right, lovely, beautiful. 1154 01:06:16.230 --> 01:06:18.240 And hopefully with this background, 1155 01:06:18.240 --> 01:06:21.060 people will be able to see your gorgeous dark hair as well, 1156 01:06:21.060 --> 01:06:24.000 Sonya, because we blended into the background 1157 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:25.150 a little bit last time. 1158 01:06:28.060 --> 01:06:30.657 (indistinct) did you put it around her? 1159 01:06:30.657 --> 01:06:32.510 Yeah. 1160 01:06:32.510 --> 01:06:35.120 Do you have a spot to focus on? 1161 01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:37.230 Okay. 1162 01:06:37.230 --> 01:06:38.310 Jay's wondering if you use 1163 01:06:38.310 --> 01:06:41.340 a waterproof pencil or know of one. 1164 01:06:41.340 --> 01:06:43.029 A waterproof, 1165 01:06:43.029 --> 01:06:44.370 you can spray with hairspray after. 1166 01:06:44.370 --> 01:06:47.310 Ah, okay, we can spray with hairspray afterwards. 1167 01:06:47.310 --> 01:06:50.493 Or actual professional- 1168 01:06:51.780 --> 01:06:52.930 Lovely. hairspray. 1169 01:06:55.885 --> 01:06:57.160 Good. 1170 01:06:57.160 --> 01:06:58.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1171 01:07:05.640 --> 01:07:09.660 All right, I think we're just about good to go. 1172 01:07:09.660 --> 01:07:14.660 So we have about just under an hour on this pose. 1173 01:07:22.410 --> 01:07:24.093 I'm gonna relocate myself. 1174 01:07:28.560 --> 01:07:30.240 Under an hour? How long do we have? 1175 01:07:30.240 --> 01:07:34.620 Just under an hour, Caroline, unfortunately. 1176 01:07:34.620 --> 01:07:36.920 We would love to be able to spend longer, but. 1177 01:07:54.810 --> 01:07:58.180 I mean, the beauty of this workshop 1178 01:07:59.070 --> 01:08:02.490 is that people can continue to explore 1179 01:08:02.490 --> 01:08:03.930 their own style afterwards. 1180 01:08:03.930 --> 01:08:05.433 You know, this is not the be-all or end-all. 1181 01:08:05.433 --> 01:08:07.113 It's just a start, isn't it? 1182 01:08:10.530 --> 01:08:12.150 I'd actually love it if we inspired people 1183 01:08:12.150 --> 01:08:14.250 to continue drawing all day. 1184 01:08:14.250 --> 01:08:15.150 Yeah. 1185 01:08:18.120 --> 01:08:19.870 I think definitely the more you do, 1186 01:08:22.387 --> 01:08:27.387 the more comfortable you get, the more comfortable it feels. 1187 01:09:15.390 --> 01:09:17.640 I think that would be fine, Francis. 1188 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:50.970 All of our staff behind the scenes drink mineral water, 1189 01:09:50.970 --> 01:09:54.330 so our cameraman is very quietly trying to open his bottle 1190 01:09:54.330 --> 01:09:57.390 of mineral water without making a massive noise. 1191 01:09:57.390 --> 01:09:58.983 It's entertaining me no end. 1192 01:10:15.540 --> 01:10:19.620 People are enjoying this pose. It's a good one. 1193 01:10:19.620 --> 01:10:22.170 I hope it's a more comfortable seat for Sonya, too. 1194 01:11:30.957 --> 01:11:32.430 Ah, that's a good question, Abby. 1195 01:11:32.430 --> 01:11:34.590 There isn't usually a centralised place 1196 01:11:34.590 --> 01:11:39.590 where we pop all of the people's contributions afterwards. 1197 01:11:40.740 --> 01:11:44.010 Usually it depends on, some people like to share with us 1198 01:11:44.010 --> 01:11:46.020 but may not like to publicly share. 1199 01:11:46.020 --> 01:11:49.230 But I think the best way is to tag us in social media, 1200 01:11:49.230 --> 01:11:52.350 and that way we can kind of group them all together. 1201 01:11:52.350 --> 01:11:54.870 Georg will do that work behind the scenes. 1202 01:11:54.870 --> 01:11:57.570 So if you'd like to publicly share your work, 1203 01:11:57.570 --> 01:12:00.540 please do tag us on either Instagram 1204 01:12:00.540 --> 01:12:02.790 or Facebook, @portraitau. 1205 01:12:02.790 --> 01:12:04.640 You can also get us there on Twitter, 1206 01:12:06.660 --> 01:12:08.970 and Georg will do all of the work 1207 01:12:08.970 --> 01:12:12.933 to make sure that they're all grouped together for us. 1208 01:12:23.730 --> 01:12:26.460 Do you always start with the face, Caroline? 1209 01:12:26.460 --> 01:12:30.240 Yeah, yes, because- 1210 01:12:30.240 --> 01:12:31.500 Yes. If it doesn't, 1211 01:12:31.500 --> 01:12:33.840 if the face doesn't work, 1212 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.712 there's not much point any of the rest of it working. 1213 01:12:36.712 --> 01:12:39.212 (Gill laughs) 1214 01:12:53.190 --> 01:12:54.360 That's a good question, Marin. 1215 01:12:54.360 --> 01:12:56.433 We'll go into that throughout this pose. 1216 01:13:03.870 --> 01:13:05.187 What's the? 1217 01:13:05.187 --> 01:13:06.310 The question, sorry, 1218 01:13:06.310 --> 01:13:09.840 I was not wanting to interrupt your face concentration. 1219 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.270 The question was if you could talk through the transition 1220 01:13:12.270 --> 01:13:16.113 from pencil to oil when you work in painting, 1221 01:13:17.400 --> 01:13:19.503 whether you redraw the lines in oil. 1222 01:13:26.503 --> 01:13:29.550 Well, what's the, do I, what's, 1223 01:13:29.550 --> 01:13:31.170 can you repeat the question? 1224 01:13:31.170 --> 01:13:33.000 Whether you can talk through your transition 1225 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.403 from the pencil sketch to your painting. 1226 01:13:36.810 --> 01:13:40.860 I follow the drawing very exactly. 1227 01:13:40.860 --> 01:13:45.860 And I have like a, I basically etch it 1228 01:13:46.590 --> 01:13:49.560 sort of into every layer of the work. 1229 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:53.903 So for me, the drawing is, yeah, 1230 01:13:55.620 --> 01:13:58.950 it becomes etched into every layer of the, 1231 01:13:58.950 --> 01:14:01.800 that layer of the painting, yeah. 1232 01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:04.050 So it's almost a drawn painting. 1233 01:14:04.050 --> 01:14:09.050 Yes, it's very much the line that, but yeah. 1234 01:14:24.759 --> 01:14:28.320 I'm gonna try and work fast enough to add colour, 1235 01:14:28.320 --> 01:14:29.520 so it's gonna be... 1236 01:14:32.010 --> 01:14:34.170 We're putting you under pressure today, aren't we? 1237 01:14:34.170 --> 01:14:35.003 Huh? 1238 01:14:35.003 --> 01:14:36.673 We're putting you under pressure today. 1239 01:14:36.673 --> 01:14:38.130 I would've very much liked 1240 01:14:38.130 --> 01:14:40.350 to have added colour to the last one, 1241 01:14:40.350 --> 01:14:44.563 but that like, there's also, I mean, if this was in, 1242 01:14:47.850 --> 01:14:51.330 like, if I was drawing someone up, 1243 01:14:51.330 --> 01:14:55.410 that's why I'd sort of leave the colour aspect to home, 1244 01:14:55.410 --> 01:14:58.543 so to speak, 'cause it does take so much longer. 1245 01:14:58.543 --> 01:15:00.213 Yeah, and you know, 1246 01:15:00.213 --> 01:15:03.450 that just gives us the opportunity to bring you back again. 1247 01:15:03.450 --> 01:15:04.283 Oh, yeah, yeah. 1248 01:15:04.283 --> 01:15:06.060 So we do drawing the line today, 1249 01:15:06.060 --> 01:15:08.550 and we work on colour next time. 1250 01:15:08.550 --> 01:15:09.787 Actually, I'm gonna- Caroline's like, 1251 01:15:09.787 --> 01:15:11.220 "I'm gonna run screaming from the building 1252 01:15:11.220 --> 01:15:12.510 after this experience. 1253 01:15:12.510 --> 01:15:15.687 I'm never coming back again." (laughing) 1254 01:15:16.576 --> 01:15:19.411 I'll go, "I've given up on it." (laughs) 1255 01:15:19.411 --> 01:15:21.744 "That's not worth my paper." 1256 01:15:26.040 --> 01:15:28.623 Oh, wait, there we go. 1257 01:15:44.220 --> 01:15:45.210 Yeah, this is a, 1258 01:15:45.210 --> 01:15:47.490 I don't normally add colour at this stage, 1259 01:15:47.490 --> 01:15:50.636 so it's a bit out of my element, 1260 01:15:50.636 --> 01:15:55.636 so I'm just gonna give it a go, destroy it IRL. 1261 01:16:10.047 --> 01:16:12.000 Are you more comfortable with the chair, 1262 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:13.680 with your materials on that side, 1263 01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:15.990 or is it possible for me to move it to the other side? 1264 01:16:15.990 --> 01:16:16.823 No, it's fine. 1265 01:16:16.823 --> 01:16:18.670 That'd be awesome, thank you. 1266 01:16:21.330 --> 01:16:25.590 Just means that we won't block the camera if you reach over. 1267 01:16:25.590 --> 01:16:26.703 Oh, okay. 1268 01:16:27.870 --> 01:16:29.020 Thanks, Marky. 1269 01:16:38.490 --> 01:16:42.090 And that's a set of coloured pencils, 1270 01:16:42.090 --> 01:16:43.950 the same brand as the lead? 1271 01:16:43.950 --> 01:16:46.620 These are Faber Castell. 1272 01:16:46.620 --> 01:16:48.573 Faber Castell. Pencils, yeah. 1273 01:16:49.470 --> 01:16:52.953 And you can like, yeah, I mean you can get boxes of, 1274 01:16:54.040 --> 01:16:55.863 that have like 500 different colours. 1275 01:16:56.700 --> 01:17:01.053 I think this is a wide enough range for, 1276 01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:05.127 you know, if you're doing something like this, 1277 01:17:05.127 --> 01:17:07.000 and you suddenly need a colour 1278 01:17:08.910 --> 01:17:11.253 without necessarily having to mix colours. 1279 01:17:14.940 --> 01:17:16.590 Does anyone else remember the joy 1280 01:17:16.590 --> 01:17:21.590 of being gifted a set of Faber Castell coloured pencils 1281 01:17:21.870 --> 01:17:24.420 and just thinking it was the most joyous present 1282 01:17:24.420 --> 01:17:26.550 they could ever possibly hope to get? (laughs) 1283 01:17:26.550 --> 01:17:28.103 How exciting, yeah. 1284 01:17:33.360 --> 01:17:34.797 Never grew out of it. 1285 01:17:34.797 --> 01:17:37.080 No, I'm still looking enviously at that box. 1286 01:17:37.080 --> 01:17:38.830 I might have to seal it afterwards. 1287 01:17:42.150 --> 01:17:44.343 Ah, Christine's a Derwent pencil person. 1288 01:17:45.750 --> 01:17:48.660 Is it like Ford and Holden? (laughs) 1289 01:17:48.660 --> 01:17:51.300 No, I think Derwent would definitely 1290 01:17:51.300 --> 01:17:53.015 have the final say. 1291 01:17:53.015 --> 01:17:54.515 (laughs) Derwent win. 1292 01:18:03.360 --> 01:18:05.040 So with this, 1293 01:18:05.040 --> 01:18:07.230 the question I'm sort of thinking again 1294 01:18:07.230 --> 01:18:09.090 is how much time do we have? 1295 01:18:09.090 --> 01:18:11.610 Another 40 minutes. 1296 01:18:11.610 --> 01:18:12.720 40 Minutes? Okay. 1297 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:17.530 Yeah, is again, do I draw 1298 01:18:18.450 --> 01:18:21.450 Sonya as is there, or do I try to turn it 1299 01:18:21.450 --> 01:18:25.290 into what am I, you know, 1300 01:18:25.290 --> 01:18:27.690 what am I gonna say with the image, 1301 01:18:27.690 --> 01:18:30.183 and do I turn it into something else that, 1302 01:18:32.291 --> 01:18:33.990 yeah, which is based on Sonya 1303 01:18:33.990 --> 01:18:38.753 but more of an expression of Sonya, sort of. 1304 01:20:38.550 --> 01:20:40.380 Caroline, we were talking before the programme 1305 01:20:40.380 --> 01:20:43.380 about your painting "Original Sin." 1306 01:20:43.380 --> 01:20:45.720 Was that part of the "Barren Land" exhibition 1307 01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:46.920 that you've just put on? 1308 01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:49.650 No, that, oh, "Original Sin." 1309 01:20:49.650 --> 01:20:51.270 Which one's that? 1310 01:20:51.270 --> 01:20:54.270 It's my new favourite portrait. 1311 01:20:54.270 --> 01:20:57.510 No, that was for Sydney Contemporary, 1312 01:20:57.510 --> 01:21:01.050 for part of the series "Roe versus Wade." 1313 01:21:01.050 --> 01:21:01.883 Ah. Yeah. 1314 01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:06.930 I adore this painting, 1315 01:21:06.930 --> 01:21:10.950 and Georg is gonna share it with you all. 1316 01:21:10.950 --> 01:21:15.950 It's just got that incredible Middle Ages, 1317 01:21:16.050 --> 01:21:18.480 earlier Renaissance kind of style of, 1318 01:21:18.480 --> 01:21:20.760 it reminds me of Mother and Christ, you know, 1319 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:25.560 with the babies that looked like little men. 1320 01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:30.207 They didn't look like what our idea of a baby is. 1321 01:21:30.207 --> 01:21:33.150 And I love it so much because I know both my children 1322 01:21:33.150 --> 01:21:36.690 didn't look like my perception of cherubs 1323 01:21:36.690 --> 01:21:37.523 when they came out. 1324 01:21:37.523 --> 01:21:41.010 They certainly looked like other-world aliens 1325 01:21:41.010 --> 01:21:42.540 and little old men. 1326 01:21:42.540 --> 01:21:47.540 So I adore this painting of "Original Sin" that you've done. 1327 01:21:47.610 --> 01:21:48.903 It's fantastic. 1328 01:22:08.910 --> 01:22:10.560 I wanna say symbolism in the carpet 1329 01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:11.613 for this one as well? 1330 01:22:12.750 --> 01:22:14.520 Yeah, I think, it was sort of, 1331 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.923 so it was based on like the whole like, 1332 01:22:17.790 --> 01:22:20.040 like Roe versus Wade sort of, 1333 01:22:20.040 --> 01:22:22.020 the controversy that was happening in, 1334 01:22:22.020 --> 01:22:24.330 it's sort of like meant to be 1335 01:22:24.330 --> 01:22:28.140 like sort of seething blood lines of, you know, 1336 01:22:28.140 --> 01:22:30.123 like in, like, you know, 1337 01:22:31.890 --> 01:22:33.960 is the woman sitting there by choice, 1338 01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:38.960 like with her child, or what, you know, 1339 01:22:39.941 --> 01:22:41.310 like, and questioning the, you know, 1340 01:22:41.310 --> 01:22:44.640 such a fundamental question of like human life 1341 01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:46.770 and you know, who decides, 1342 01:22:46.770 --> 01:22:48.990 you know, like the decision around human life 1343 01:22:48.990 --> 01:22:51.720 and who, and the carpet, 1344 01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:53.370 so it's like seething blood lines 1345 01:22:53.370 --> 01:22:57.720 that then look like a bit like hearts and worms 1346 01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:02.720 and all sort of pulsing together, 1347 01:23:03.270 --> 01:23:05.070 so to speak, yeah. 1348 01:23:05.070 --> 01:23:05.940 Brilliant. 1349 01:23:05.940 --> 01:23:08.390 And that sort of visceral, you know, 1350 01:23:10.770 --> 01:23:13.353 life force, those decisions around life. 1351 01:23:33.420 --> 01:23:35.310 I mentioned the "Barren Land" exhibition 1352 01:23:35.310 --> 01:23:36.513 as well briefly. 1353 01:23:37.650 --> 01:23:40.350 Did you wanna tell us a little bit about that project? 1354 01:23:41.220 --> 01:23:42.630 Yeah, so that was part 1355 01:23:42.630 --> 01:23:47.630 of the Evelyn Chapman Award, and I followed a trip 1356 01:23:47.850 --> 01:23:51.360 that Russell Drysdale took in 1944 1357 01:23:51.360 --> 01:23:54.723 to Outback New South Wales. 1358 01:23:56.700 --> 01:23:58.200 And he went with Keith, 1359 01:23:58.200 --> 01:24:00.480 he was commissioned by the "Sydney Morning Herald" 1360 01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:04.590 to go with Keith Newman and record drought conditions 1361 01:24:04.590 --> 01:24:08.850 and I proposed to just follow the research 1362 01:24:08.850 --> 01:24:11.250 and follow the exact route he took 1363 01:24:11.250 --> 01:24:16.250 and then do my own interpretation of the land out there. 1364 01:24:16.350 --> 01:24:18.743 And yeah, it, yeah, 1365 01:24:22.380 --> 01:24:25.020 and then I spent, and I live in the middle of the city, 1366 01:24:25.020 --> 01:24:26.637 so it was, you know, quite a life, 1367 01:24:26.637 --> 01:24:31.143 and I spent almost two years painting, yeah, 1368 01:24:33.249 --> 01:24:36.267 the paintings that came about from there, yeah. 1369 01:24:36.267 --> 01:24:37.710 And the characters. 1370 01:24:37.710 --> 01:24:39.240 Yeah, and yeah, 1371 01:24:39.240 --> 01:24:41.440 I found it very hard to let go of the people 1372 01:24:43.050 --> 01:24:45.903 and just paint the land, so yeah. 1373 01:24:47.460 --> 01:24:49.410 That was, I've just finished that, 1374 01:24:49.410 --> 01:24:53.910 and yeah, I feel like I've, I'm still recovering, 1375 01:24:53.910 --> 01:24:55.710 so to speak, yeah. (Gill laughs) 1376 01:24:55.710 --> 01:24:58.260 You retreated back to the city. 1377 01:24:58.260 --> 01:25:00.300 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1378 01:25:00.300 --> 01:25:01.650 I'm still landing, I think. 1379 01:25:03.382 --> 01:25:04.215 That was a big one. 1380 01:25:13.380 --> 01:25:14.880 I don't know about everybody out there, 1381 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:18.060 but if Georg is able to find the picture 1382 01:25:18.060 --> 01:25:21.100 from "Barren Land" of the characters in the pub 1383 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:24.303 at the family hotel. 1384 01:25:25.530 --> 01:25:27.780 I'm pretty sure I've met most of those people 1385 01:25:29.243 --> 01:25:30.693 at some point in my lifetime, 1386 01:25:33.450 --> 01:25:35.790 particularly the grumpy old lady at the front. 1387 01:25:35.790 --> 01:25:38.400 She was the public and the owner, 1388 01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:39.813 Melissa Thompson, yeah. 1389 01:25:40.770 --> 01:25:42.030 She's brilliant. 1390 01:25:42.030 --> 01:25:45.161 Yeah, you'd have to be pretty tough to, 1391 01:25:45.161 --> 01:25:48.363 you know, survive out there, I think. 1392 01:26:01.670 --> 01:26:04.500 Do you spend long getting to know your subjects 1393 01:26:04.500 --> 01:26:06.033 for your portrait commissions? 1394 01:26:09.510 --> 01:26:11.910 Not really, like a lot of them 1395 01:26:11.910 --> 01:26:16.910 I've known for a while, and others, yeah, 1396 01:26:20.025 --> 01:26:22.290 I mean, you can, yeah, 1397 01:26:22.290 --> 01:26:24.480 it's more just through conversation. 1398 01:26:24.480 --> 01:26:28.263 What John, who's in the gallery, actually, 1399 01:26:29.190 --> 01:26:33.000 he said he thinks that the paintings of people 1400 01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:37.950 are no better, there's more in them, 1401 01:26:37.950 --> 01:26:40.077 but I think they're different. 1402 01:26:40.077 --> 01:26:43.920 Like, they're, you know, there's a, I guess, 1403 01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:46.920 yeah, there's an initial response 1404 01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:50.273 and not an initial response, so to speak, yeah. 1405 01:26:51.999 --> 01:26:53.820 Yeah, okay, so there's like maybe 1406 01:26:53.820 --> 01:26:56.730 a little bit of depth, of familiarity 1407 01:26:56.730 --> 01:26:58.267 that comes through with the people 1408 01:26:58.267 --> 01:26:59.220 that you know a little bit more. 1409 01:26:59.220 --> 01:27:00.150 Sometimes it's harder 1410 01:27:00.150 --> 01:27:02.700 when you know someone more because there's, 1411 01:27:02.700 --> 01:27:04.797 I think they have expectations of, 1412 01:27:04.797 --> 01:27:08.907 you know, like, and you, yeah. 1413 01:27:08.907 --> 01:27:10.320 But sometimes it's easier 1414 01:27:10.320 --> 01:27:12.933 to have like a sort of neutral palette of, yeah, 1415 01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:18.663 sort of making an impression of the individual, like, yeah. 1416 01:27:27.330 --> 01:27:29.160 Sonya's chosen a terrific dress 1417 01:27:29.160 --> 01:27:30.150 for today's session. 1418 01:27:30.150 --> 01:27:32.103 It does fantastic angles, doesn't it? 1419 01:27:33.330 --> 01:27:34.180 It's really good. 1420 01:27:54.810 --> 01:27:57.000 How much time is there? 1421 01:27:57.000 --> 01:27:58.765 We have 32 minutes. 1422 01:27:58.765 --> 01:28:03.765 Oh, okay. 1423 01:28:51.690 --> 01:28:52.940 People enjoying the pose? 1424 01:28:55.430 --> 01:28:58.080 Do you find the pressure of the pencil for colouring 1425 01:28:58.080 --> 01:29:00.060 is similar to the pressure of the line? 1426 01:29:00.060 --> 01:29:01.203 Yes. Yes. 1427 01:29:03.990 --> 01:29:05.310 Except these are a bit more solid, 1428 01:29:05.310 --> 01:29:07.110 so they're not gonna hopefully snap. 1429 01:29:28.440 --> 01:29:31.417 Christine, "Hands and fingers are hard." 1430 01:29:31.417 --> 01:29:36.330 Yeah. 1431 01:29:36.330 --> 01:29:40.432 How much can they see? Is there a full? 1432 01:29:40.432 --> 01:29:43.724 You can look behind you. 1433 01:29:43.724 --> 01:29:45.453 Ah, beautiful, yeah. 1434 01:29:47.010 --> 01:29:49.993 Oh, that's on my picture, it's daunting. (laughs) 1435 01:29:58.230 --> 01:30:02.553 Is it weird, Sonya, to see the image appear next to you? 1436 01:30:04.080 --> 01:30:05.233 Sonya can actually see- 1437 01:30:05.233 --> 01:30:06.066 Yeah, oh, you can't actually talk. 1438 01:30:06.066 --> 01:30:09.343 Can see the screen this time. (laughs) 1439 01:30:29.460 --> 01:30:31.240 Yeah, I think there's, 1440 01:30:32.215 --> 01:30:36.840 I think, yeah, there's something very innate in people 1441 01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:41.840 that I think seeing your reflection of themselves 1442 01:30:42.060 --> 01:30:46.440 is, you know, like, it's our way 1443 01:30:46.440 --> 01:30:49.137 of trying to understand why we exist. 1444 01:30:49.137 --> 01:30:53.400 And I think that's why portraiture is still so, you know, 1445 01:30:53.400 --> 01:30:55.980 I think that's why people are obsessed with selfies as well. 1446 01:30:55.980 --> 01:30:59.940 But like, you know, like why portraiture remains 1447 01:30:59.940 --> 01:31:04.940 such a fascinating field or area. 1448 01:31:07.590 --> 01:31:08.590 Absolutely. 1449 01:31:15.300 --> 01:31:17.587 Very existence of a National Portrait Gallery 1450 01:31:17.587 --> 01:31:20.400 indicates we haven't solved that problem yet. 1451 01:31:20.400 --> 01:31:21.420 No! We're still fascinated 1452 01:31:21.420 --> 01:31:22.800 with trying to figure ourselves out. 1453 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:23.700 Yeah. 1454 01:31:59.280 --> 01:32:00.660 I wonder if there's a world record 1455 01:32:00.660 --> 01:32:05.660 for the number of people drawing at the same time. 1456 01:32:06.450 --> 01:32:10.200 There must be. I reckon we should go for it. 1457 01:32:10.200 --> 01:32:11.100 Yeah. 1458 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:21.990 It's not often, Sonya, 1459 01:32:21.990 --> 01:32:24.370 that you'd get 200 portraits of yourself done 1460 01:32:25.860 --> 01:32:26.700 in a morning. 1461 01:32:26.700 --> 01:32:28.020 Should put up a PO box 1462 01:32:28.020 --> 01:32:30.955 and have them all set, make a shrine. 1463 01:32:30.955 --> 01:32:33.420 (laughs) Yeah, a shrine, a Sonya shrine. 1464 01:32:33.420 --> 01:32:34.253 Yeah. 1465 01:33:04.952 --> 01:33:05.823 I don't think our audience members 1466 01:33:05.823 --> 01:33:08.670 have to look far to find interesting locations 1467 01:33:08.670 --> 01:33:10.440 to place their portrait subjects. 1468 01:33:10.440 --> 01:33:11.340 Everyone seems to have 1469 01:33:11.340 --> 01:33:14.013 such fantastically creative environments. 1470 01:33:14.850 --> 01:33:16.050 Yeah, well. 1471 01:34:19.710 --> 01:34:21.270 Is there anybody in the world 1472 01:34:21.270 --> 01:34:23.580 that you would love to paint? 1473 01:34:23.580 --> 01:34:24.630 I would love to do 1474 01:34:24.630 --> 01:34:27.830 a reclining nude of Barnaby Joyce. 1475 01:34:27.830 --> 01:34:30.840 (both laughing) 1476 01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:34.865 Well, that's prompted a reaction. 1477 01:34:34.865 --> 01:34:37.944 (both laughing) 1478 01:34:37.944 --> 01:34:38.981 Oh, dear. I don't think 1479 01:34:38.981 --> 01:34:40.372 it would be fitting. 1480 01:34:40.372 --> 01:34:43.142 Probably have John Bower in there too, but. 1481 01:34:43.142 --> 01:34:45.809 (Gill laughing) 1482 01:34:47.220 --> 01:34:49.533 Anyone in the world I would love to paint. 1483 01:34:52.470 --> 01:34:54.993 Leave it with me, there's a lot of people. 1484 01:34:59.580 --> 01:35:04.560 I won't say, yeah, I think Australia, 1485 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:06.270 I think, yeah, there's a, 1486 01:35:06.270 --> 01:35:10.893 oh, I like allowing it to come to me sort of thing. 1487 01:35:15.270 --> 01:35:19.440 But yeah, I think for the moment, maybe David Lynch. 1488 01:35:19.440 --> 01:35:21.240 Oh, oh yes! 1489 01:35:21.240 --> 01:35:22.590 He'd be amazing to paint. 1490 01:35:22.590 --> 01:35:24.457 Oh, your style would be amazing! 1491 01:35:24.457 --> 01:35:25.830 Yeah. 1492 01:35:25.830 --> 01:35:26.850 All right, shout out, 1493 01:35:26.850 --> 01:35:28.950 who's got any contacts with David Lynch? 1494 01:35:28.950 --> 01:35:29.850 Yeah. 1495 01:35:33.551 --> 01:35:35.070 You could go strange with him. 1496 01:35:35.070 --> 01:35:36.150 Oh, yeah. 1497 01:35:36.150 --> 01:35:38.250 It'd be like mandatory, yeah. 1498 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:32.610 Have there been any major influences 1499 01:36:32.610 --> 01:36:36.780 on the development of your style as an artist? 1500 01:36:36.780 --> 01:36:38.400 Influences, yeah. 1501 01:36:38.400 --> 01:36:41.160 Well, could be people or films 1502 01:36:41.160 --> 01:36:45.963 or a particular genre of arts or family members. 1503 01:36:46.950 --> 01:36:49.100 No, definitely family members. 1504 01:36:51.225 --> 01:36:52.710 If my mother didn't make me so neurotic, 1505 01:36:52.710 --> 01:36:55.296 I might've been able to do finance or something. 1506 01:36:55.296 --> 01:36:57.180 (laughs) Well, that would've been a loss. 1507 01:36:57.180 --> 01:36:58.013 Yeah. 1508 01:36:58.013 --> 01:36:59.101 Thanks, Mum. 1509 01:36:59.101 --> 01:37:01.023 Yeah, thanks, Mum, no. 1510 01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:07.593 I mean, I have the artists that I really love, 1511 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:14.600 like, which are all quite traditional artists. 1512 01:37:15.060 --> 01:37:16.290 That's interesting. 1513 01:37:16.290 --> 01:37:18.753 Yeah, but I, yeah, I think, 1514 01:37:20.669 --> 01:37:25.669 I think like painting and art, so to speak, 1515 01:37:25.830 --> 01:37:29.460 it's always sort of just been like an escape 1516 01:37:29.460 --> 01:37:33.600 or a sort of salvation of sorts, and yeah. 1517 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:40.600 It went from, it turned into a occupation, 1518 01:37:41.250 --> 01:37:42.483 so to speak, yeah. 1519 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:49.920 I think that'll probably resonate with quite a few 1520 01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:52.713 of our audience members today, participants. 1521 01:37:56.460 --> 01:37:59.100 You don't take two hours out of your Saturday morning 1522 01:37:59.100 --> 01:38:03.030 without being, getting something significant 1523 01:38:03.030 --> 01:38:07.023 out of the idea of creation or creating something. 1524 01:38:14.819 --> 01:38:19.773 Worried about the time adding colour. 1525 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:22.800 Oh, I think it's been lovely 1526 01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:24.623 for people to see your colour working progress, too. 1527 01:38:24.623 --> 01:38:27.150 Really? Yeah, absolutely. 1528 01:38:27.150 --> 01:38:28.770 It's two different settings. 1529 01:38:28.770 --> 01:38:30.191 They don't have to be, 1530 01:38:30.191 --> 01:38:31.950 you don't have to have finished products at the end. 1531 01:38:31.950 --> 01:38:34.110 People have the journey. 1532 01:38:34.110 --> 01:38:35.486 It's all about the journey, 1533 01:38:35.486 --> 01:38:36.984 isn't it? (laughs) Yes. 1534 01:38:36.984 --> 01:38:38.342 The horror of the journey. 1535 01:38:38.342 --> 01:38:41.850 (laughs) Horror of the journey. 1536 01:38:41.850 --> 01:38:42.870 I'm waiting for the journey 1537 01:38:42.870 --> 01:38:44.013 to not become horrid. 1538 01:39:00.120 --> 01:39:02.130 Yeah, these pencils are soft enough 1539 01:39:02.130 --> 01:39:05.860 that you can kind of mix the colours together 1540 01:39:07.500 --> 01:39:08.673 with the actual, 1541 01:39:12.390 --> 01:39:15.393 yeah, as you press them down slightly. 1542 01:39:20.910 --> 01:39:24.057 What are most people, are most people using pencil or? 1543 01:39:29.040 --> 01:39:31.190 I'll let you know when they reply. 1544 01:39:32.400 --> 01:39:34.500 Rowena has said to say, "Please tell Sonya 1545 01:39:34.500 --> 01:39:36.630 she's a fantastically drawable model." 1546 01:39:36.630 --> 01:39:38.373 Yes, beautiful. 1547 01:39:46.230 --> 01:39:47.830 Tiffany's using pencil. 1548 01:39:49.440 --> 01:39:54.150 Oh, and a big apology to our Western Australia Zoom user. 1549 01:39:54.150 --> 01:39:55.680 I'm sorry, I don't know, 1550 01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:58.800 there's no name to refer to you as, so Zoom user. 1551 01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:02.250 Apologies, yes, we do know that this is a terrible time 1552 01:40:02.250 --> 01:40:07.250 for WA people, and normally we wouldn't have done 1553 01:40:07.830 --> 01:40:09.120 our online workshop this way, 1554 01:40:09.120 --> 01:40:13.500 but unfortunately, the tech team have another task, 1555 01:40:13.500 --> 01:40:15.510 another event that they have to go to this afternoon, 1556 01:40:15.510 --> 01:40:18.180 so we had to bring this one forward. 1557 01:40:18.180 --> 01:40:20.340 But yes, definitely next time it'll be more 1558 01:40:20.340 --> 01:40:23.190 of an afternoon session for the online ones. 1559 01:40:23.190 --> 01:40:26.193 We don't like to disadvantage our WA friends. 1560 01:40:33.645 --> 01:40:35.670 We've got a lot of pencil, 1561 01:40:35.670 --> 01:40:39.210 Derwent drawing pencils, watercolour pencils. 1562 01:40:39.210 --> 01:40:41.253 Ooh, nice. Prismacolor pencil, 1563 01:40:43.080 --> 01:40:45.713 Inktense watercolour pencils. 1564 01:40:45.713 --> 01:40:48.463 Ooh, Inktense, well. 1565 01:40:56.580 --> 01:40:58.983 Charcoal, pastel pencils, 1566 01:41:02.160 --> 01:41:04.503 Polychromos pencils, lots of pencils. 1567 01:41:05.351 --> 01:41:07.743 We've got pens and some water-soluble crayons. 1568 01:41:14.310 --> 01:41:17.130 Oh, lots of different mixtures of pencils. 1569 01:41:17.130 --> 01:41:18.543 Everyone's getting creative. 1570 01:41:19.860 --> 01:41:21.360 That's exactly what we wanted. 1571 01:41:26.580 --> 01:41:28.410 Linda's noticed that her drawings don't look 1572 01:41:28.410 --> 01:41:29.250 anything like the model, 1573 01:41:29.250 --> 01:41:31.470 but she supposes that's not an issue. 1574 01:41:31.470 --> 01:41:33.870 No, as long as she's happy with the end result. 1575 01:41:33.870 --> 01:41:35.238 Exactly. Sonya might not be happy. 1576 01:41:35.238 --> 01:41:37.905 (both laughing) 1577 01:42:17.987 --> 01:42:19.570 Yeah, I think it's, 1578 01:42:20.971 --> 01:42:23.490 it depends on what your end result is like. 1579 01:42:25.620 --> 01:42:28.860 I mean, if you're, just say you're giving your mom 1580 01:42:28.860 --> 01:42:32.287 a portrait of her, you know, you may not want to, 1581 01:42:32.287 --> 01:42:35.370 you know, you wanna be more precise, 1582 01:42:35.370 --> 01:42:38.070 but if you're creating something that you're, you know, 1583 01:42:38.070 --> 01:42:43.070 maybe gonna have at home or it's like the model 1584 01:42:43.530 --> 01:42:47.643 is a springboard almost for a work. 1585 01:42:50.730 --> 01:42:54.810 Yeah, I think, yeah, the main thing 1586 01:42:54.810 --> 01:42:59.433 is to enjoy the process, if that's possible. 1587 01:43:01.830 --> 01:43:06.063 Rarely is for me, but encouraging others. 1588 01:43:28.320 --> 01:43:30.120 It's good that Sonya brought the clock, 1589 01:43:30.120 --> 01:43:31.410 because every time I look at it, 1590 01:43:31.410 --> 01:43:36.043 I'm reminded we're on the clock. (laughs) 1591 01:43:37.080 --> 01:43:38.160 17 minutes. 1592 01:43:38.160 --> 01:43:40.143 17 minutes, okay. 1593 01:43:48.240 --> 01:43:49.260 Oh, we've had a few comments 1594 01:43:49.260 --> 01:43:51.360 from some people from WA who are happy 1595 01:43:51.360 --> 01:43:54.333 with the early-morning start, that's interesting, good. 1596 01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:57.540 And they have the rest of the day to- 1597 01:43:57.540 --> 01:44:00.240 Yeah, or you know, if they have to work, 1598 01:44:00.240 --> 01:44:03.083 they can do a bit of creativity before heading into work. 1599 01:44:05.100 --> 01:44:06.690 It's always been a very tricky thing for us, 1600 01:44:06.690 --> 01:44:10.230 trying to work out what the best time is 1601 01:44:10.230 --> 01:44:12.753 for these online workshops. 1602 01:44:20.940 --> 01:44:24.330 But we're so grateful that people set aside the time, 1603 01:44:24.330 --> 01:44:26.220 whatever time we put them on, 1604 01:44:26.220 --> 01:44:31.203 to come in and be creative with us. 1605 01:44:33.240 --> 01:44:34.710 Yeah, I think engagement 1606 01:44:34.710 --> 01:44:38.073 in any kind of creative activity is always, 1607 01:44:39.150 --> 01:44:40.923 is so, you get so much out of it. 1608 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:47.850 I do a live drawing, well, I attempt to, 1609 01:44:47.850 --> 01:44:52.850 every Tuesday, and yeah, it's something very unique 1610 01:44:53.550 --> 01:44:58.550 about sitting with a group of people all drawing, 1611 01:44:59.099 --> 01:45:00.690 'cause it is quite a solitary practise. 1612 01:45:00.690 --> 01:45:04.712 So it's nice to have that, you know, 1613 01:45:04.712 --> 01:45:06.712 engagement now and then. 1614 01:45:19.553 --> 01:45:21.810 Donna's wondering if you paint and draw 1615 01:45:21.810 --> 01:45:23.430 other subjects like landscapes 1616 01:45:23.430 --> 01:45:28.020 or still life as well as portraits. 1617 01:45:28.020 --> 01:45:32.433 Yes, but not often. 1618 01:45:33.930 --> 01:45:37.410 The people are, there's definitely the, 1619 01:45:37.410 --> 01:45:40.500 one of the main elements in the work is always people. 1620 01:45:40.500 --> 01:45:41.333 Oh, okay. 1621 01:45:41.333 --> 01:45:42.166 Yeah. 1622 01:45:44.160 --> 01:45:46.380 I did, for the "Barren Land" series, 1623 01:45:46.380 --> 01:45:50.703 I did a few landscapes, and they are, 1624 01:45:53.970 --> 01:45:57.093 yeah, they included people in the end, yeah. 1625 01:45:58.620 --> 01:46:00.510 I love how you describe that. 1626 01:46:00.510 --> 01:46:01.343 What? 1627 01:46:01.343 --> 01:46:02.850 That they just included people in the end, 1628 01:46:02.850 --> 01:46:06.027 just sort of, that's where you ended up, with people. 1629 01:46:06.027 --> 01:46:07.230 (laughs) Yeah. 1630 01:46:07.230 --> 01:46:08.880 That encapsulates your process 1631 01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:10.113 in a nutshell, I think. 1632 01:46:11.880 --> 01:46:14.550 We've just had a comment on Facebook 1633 01:46:14.550 --> 01:46:16.950 from your old art teacher, Leslie Snelgrove. 1634 01:46:16.950 --> 01:46:18.480 Oh, hi, Mrs. Snelgrove! 1635 01:46:18.480 --> 01:46:20.430 She says she love, love, loves your work, 1636 01:46:20.430 --> 01:46:23.010 and she's so enjoying to see the process again, oh. 1637 01:46:23.010 --> 01:46:25.880 Thank you for tolerating me as a teenager. 1638 01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:28.547 (both laughing) 1639 01:46:38.670 --> 01:46:41.037 How long do we have? 17 minutes? 1640 01:46:41.037 --> 01:46:43.600 Well, we had 17 minutes three minutes ago, I think. 1641 01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:44.433 Okay. No, 1642 01:46:44.433 --> 01:46:46.560 it's about 14 minutes left. 1643 01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:47.603 All right. 1644 01:47:24.420 --> 01:47:26.850 Well, because I'm not familiar with these colours, 1645 01:47:26.850 --> 01:47:29.430 I feel like I've made a horrendous mistake 1646 01:47:29.430 --> 01:47:33.510 with the choice of the brown, and in 15 minutes, 1647 01:47:33.510 --> 01:47:35.333 I'm not gonna be able to correct it, so. 1648 01:47:37.980 --> 01:47:41.120 You're gonna run into, run towards brown for this. 1649 01:47:41.120 --> 01:47:43.120 Yeah, yeah, it's a bit too, 1650 01:47:44.160 --> 01:47:46.293 anyway, see what happens. 1651 01:47:47.280 --> 01:47:49.024 It was meant to be. 1652 01:47:49.024 --> 01:47:50.550 Yeah, let's hope. 1653 01:47:59.423 --> 01:48:02.430 Another question for our participants. 1654 01:48:02.430 --> 01:48:04.290 I'm interested to hear, there's a few people 1655 01:48:04.290 --> 01:48:06.330 I could see creating together. 1656 01:48:06.330 --> 01:48:07.800 We were talking about it, you know, 1657 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:09.480 drawing being a solitary experience, 1658 01:48:09.480 --> 01:48:13.200 or being an artist in general, being a bit lonely. 1659 01:48:13.200 --> 01:48:15.840 But are there many people out there who have people 1660 01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:19.080 that you can create with in your lives? 1661 01:48:19.080 --> 01:48:24.080 Or do you tend to prefer to create in solitude, 1662 01:48:24.300 --> 01:48:25.353 peace and quiet? 1663 01:48:34.020 --> 01:48:36.273 Oh, with kids, lovely. 1664 01:48:38.010 --> 01:48:39.690 I couldn't get my kids to sit still enough 1665 01:48:39.690 --> 01:48:40.833 to create with me. 1666 01:48:46.830 --> 01:48:48.423 Tina, we can be your tribe. 1667 01:48:51.420 --> 01:48:54.243 With pets, with art group, oh, I love it. 1668 01:48:55.350 --> 01:48:56.550 Oh, plenty. 1669 01:49:06.570 --> 01:49:09.303 Co-creating with a piece of inspiring music. 1670 01:49:11.460 --> 01:49:14.490 Oh, Colleen, thank you, husband, 1671 01:49:14.490 --> 01:49:16.923 for joining Colleen to paint, that's awesome. 1672 01:49:22.350 --> 01:49:25.113 Shout out to Elsa. Thank you for drawing with Kit. 1673 01:49:30.114 --> 01:49:33.390 (laughs) Cats, do you have pets, Caroline? 1674 01:49:33.390 --> 01:49:34.650 Yes, I have two dogs, 1675 01:49:34.650 --> 01:49:38.400 and I feel like they get quite neglected. 1676 01:49:38.400 --> 01:49:40.803 They sit under my easel while I paint. 1677 01:49:42.330 --> 01:49:43.920 I feel like the only affection they get 1678 01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:47.741 is when I drop a paint brush on them by accident. 1679 01:49:47.741 --> 01:49:50.820 (laughs) Is one of your dogs, 1680 01:49:50.820 --> 01:49:55.620 the picture that you have as part of the promo material? 1681 01:49:55.620 --> 01:49:57.397 Is that one of your current- 1682 01:49:57.397 --> 01:49:59.130 Yes, yes, that's Foxy. 1683 01:49:59.130 --> 01:49:59.963 Furry animals? 1684 01:49:59.963 --> 01:50:00.796 Poor dog, yeah, he's- 1685 01:50:00.796 --> 01:50:04.587 Oh my gosh, he is, has the best expression. 1686 01:50:04.587 --> 01:50:06.480 (laughs) I can't imagine you owning any other dog. 1687 01:50:06.480 --> 01:50:08.130 It's awesome. Yeah, he's so traumatised 1688 01:50:08.130 --> 01:50:09.180 by all the paintings. 1689 01:50:10.080 --> 01:50:13.593 So is everyone else. It's terrible. 1690 01:50:17.070 --> 01:50:19.170 No, he's good company. He just sits there. 1691 01:50:26.490 --> 01:50:27.960 Oh, I missed a question, 1692 01:50:27.960 --> 01:50:29.820 'cause everybody chimed in 1693 01:50:29.820 --> 01:50:34.820 with their awesome drawing preferences. 1694 01:50:34.950 --> 01:50:37.590 Deidre was wondering, "You mentioned shadows before. 1695 01:50:37.590 --> 01:50:39.480 Where would you put shadows on this drawing? 1696 01:50:39.480 --> 01:50:41.520 Under the nose or chin or?" 1697 01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:43.320 I've got a tiny bit of shadowing 1698 01:50:43.320 --> 01:50:45.153 under the nose and around the, 1699 01:50:46.890 --> 01:50:51.330 between the eye and the nose, the eyes and the nose. 1700 01:50:51.330 --> 01:50:56.330 And I am attempting to shadow with the colours, 1701 01:50:57.210 --> 01:50:59.370 so like where there's a darker red 1702 01:50:59.370 --> 01:51:04.370 as as opposed to the lighter red and how hard I've pressed, 1703 01:51:04.620 --> 01:51:07.140 and that went atrociously wrong there. 1704 01:51:07.140 --> 01:51:11.490 But there's a bit of darkness in there as it gets lighter, 1705 01:51:11.490 --> 01:51:16.490 and I'm making, although that's actually darker than that 1706 01:51:16.890 --> 01:51:19.260 because I only have probably 11 minutes now, 1707 01:51:19.260 --> 01:51:22.651 I'm just gonna shade it in light, yeah. 1708 01:51:22.651 --> 01:51:24.900 (both laughing) 1709 01:51:24.900 --> 01:51:28.350 Just to get a difference in colour, 1710 01:51:28.350 --> 01:51:30.090 so there's a block of colour in there. 1711 01:51:30.090 --> 01:51:31.173 Yeah. Yeah. 1712 01:51:33.240 --> 01:51:36.120 What I envisaged in my mind was the, 1713 01:51:36.120 --> 01:51:37.860 which you can't really get with a pencil, 1714 01:51:37.860 --> 01:51:42.240 is the vibrancy of the, if I was painting this, 1715 01:51:42.240 --> 01:51:46.230 I would do Sonya's milky, delightful skin 1716 01:51:46.230 --> 01:51:49.680 and then the vibrancy of the red dress 1717 01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:54.527 and then the slight nuance of the slightly browner lounge, 1718 01:51:55.710 --> 01:52:00.540 which is still red but reddy-brown, yeah. 1719 01:52:00.540 --> 01:52:03.840 And the shading is really just enough 1720 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:08.673 to make it look like a three-dimensional, bigger, yeah. 1721 01:52:14.250 --> 01:52:16.640 If there's any other questions, I'm happy to... 1722 01:52:18.300 --> 01:52:21.480 Yeah, we have eight minutes, eight minutes left. 1723 01:52:21.480 --> 01:52:23.100 So if anyone wants to throw 1724 01:52:23.100 --> 01:52:25.503 any last-minute burning questions at Caroline. 1725 01:52:27.120 --> 01:52:30.810 I'm adoring, we will send all of your comments 1726 01:52:30.810 --> 01:52:31.980 through to Caroline afterwards. 1727 01:52:31.980 --> 01:52:33.660 She doesn't get to see them. 1728 01:52:33.660 --> 01:52:37.380 I'm relishing all of the contributions 1729 01:52:37.380 --> 01:52:38.550 people have been putting in today. 1730 01:52:38.550 --> 01:52:42.540 It's so fantastic to see all the variety. 1731 01:52:42.540 --> 01:52:43.500 This is the thing, I think, 1732 01:52:43.500 --> 01:52:45.810 that's the, the word that has struck me today, 1733 01:52:45.810 --> 01:52:49.350 the diversity, of not only the creations 1734 01:52:49.350 --> 01:52:52.203 but people's creating experience. 1735 01:52:53.490 --> 01:52:54.543 That's just terrific. 1736 01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:03.680 Yeah, it's an incredibly human experience, 1737 01:53:04.200 --> 01:53:07.713 I think, it's uniquely human, creation. 1738 01:53:09.330 --> 01:53:10.830 Which is odd 'cause this is such 1739 01:53:10.830 --> 01:53:14.280 a constructed environment that we're all working in 1740 01:53:14.280 --> 01:53:16.750 via technology, but it does actually feel like 1741 01:53:18.120 --> 01:53:20.570 there's quite a good deal of connection going on. 1742 01:53:23.310 --> 01:53:26.310 Sally's wondering what the best advice you've ever received. 1743 01:53:27.240 --> 01:53:28.668 I don't if that's in art or in life. 1744 01:53:28.668 --> 01:53:30.903 Oh, best advice? 1745 01:53:30.903 --> 01:53:32.751 When in doubt, don't. 1746 01:53:32.751 --> 01:53:35.418 (both laughing) 1747 01:53:37.980 --> 01:53:40.890 Well, oh god, in art or- 1748 01:53:40.890 --> 01:53:42.660 I think, yeah, yeah, let's do art, otherwise 1749 01:53:42.660 --> 01:53:44.463 it might get weird. Let's do art? 1750 01:53:44.463 --> 01:53:49.080 Yeah, me too, I think the best advice I got 1751 01:53:49.080 --> 01:53:53.310 was to actually, to do it, you know? 1752 01:53:53.310 --> 01:53:58.230 Like, I think that I, yeah, there was a, 1753 01:53:58.230 --> 01:54:00.900 when I was a, I was sort of forced to do it 1754 01:54:00.900 --> 01:54:02.670 when I was younger at school, 1755 01:54:02.670 --> 01:54:07.560 and then when it came to university, 1756 01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:08.910 I was gonna do something else, 1757 01:54:08.910 --> 01:54:12.840 and my godfather said, "If you don't do art now, 1758 01:54:12.840 --> 01:54:16.020 you'll never go back and do it, and just do it now." 1759 01:54:16.020 --> 01:54:18.210 And I think if that's your, 1760 01:54:18.210 --> 01:54:19.980 what you wanna do, just do it. 1761 01:54:19.980 --> 01:54:24.840 That's like, yeah, and let it work itself out 1762 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:26.103 sort of thing, yeah. 1763 01:54:27.180 --> 01:54:29.030 Excellent advice, godfather. 1764 01:54:30.503 --> 01:54:33.594 I wish somebody had given me that advice once. 1765 01:54:33.594 --> 01:54:35.413 And just do it daily, yeah. 1766 01:54:47.850 --> 01:54:49.590 Other than that, the only advice I'd say 1767 01:54:49.590 --> 01:54:51.540 is don't listen to any advice I give 1768 01:54:51.540 --> 01:54:56.540 because it's very bad, the outcome is bad. 1769 01:55:05.580 --> 01:55:07.230 We've got five minutes left to go. 1770 01:55:07.230 --> 01:55:09.120 Hush. (laughs) 1771 01:55:09.120 --> 01:55:09.983 Probably. 1772 01:55:15.668 --> 01:55:18.180 We have an observation that your style 1773 01:55:18.180 --> 01:55:20.550 has eyes being quite high in the face 1774 01:55:20.550 --> 01:55:24.870 and the jowl sort of been a bit larger than the forehead 1775 01:55:24.870 --> 01:55:26.790 and was wondering about the evolution 1776 01:55:26.790 --> 01:55:27.993 of that in your career? 1777 01:55:29.100 --> 01:55:33.583 Complete mistakes. (laughs) 1778 01:55:36.180 --> 01:55:41.180 Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily intentional, 1779 01:55:41.310 --> 01:55:42.540 to be honest. 1780 01:55:42.540 --> 01:55:44.140 I haven't actually noticed that. 1781 01:55:47.010 --> 01:55:48.840 Have you seen your style develop 1782 01:55:48.840 --> 01:55:50.697 or evolve over the years? 1783 01:55:50.697 --> 01:55:52.900 I think it's refined a bit 1784 01:55:54.660 --> 01:55:59.400 just with, yeah, it's, yeah. 1785 01:55:59.400 --> 01:56:01.200 I think it's just refined a bit more 1786 01:56:02.400 --> 01:56:06.180 just with the hours and hours of doing it. 1787 01:56:06.180 --> 01:56:07.023 Yep. Yeah. 1788 01:56:54.120 --> 01:56:55.920 A couple more minutes, 1789 01:56:55.920 --> 01:56:58.390 and then we'll give everybody the opportunity 1790 01:56:59.974 --> 01:57:01.100 to share again, if that's okay. 1791 01:57:03.808 --> 01:57:05.891 Sonya's leg might've gone to sleep. 1792 01:57:05.891 --> 01:57:07.050 You all right, Sonya? 1793 01:57:40.980 --> 01:57:42.000 Lizzie's wondering 1794 01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:44.190 if you draw every day, Caroline. 1795 01:57:44.190 --> 01:57:47.373 Is it working in the studio every day? 1796 01:57:48.450 --> 01:57:52.200 Yeah, I don't, I do draw a lot, but I don't, 1797 01:57:52.200 --> 01:57:54.870 if I'm painting, like, if I'm painting, 1798 01:57:54.870 --> 01:57:59.403 I tend to paint the entire day. 1799 01:58:01.650 --> 01:58:03.843 Yeah, but I'm in the studio every day. 1800 01:58:37.020 --> 01:58:39.120 Damien's wondering if you found 1801 01:58:39.120 --> 01:58:41.070 the race against time, the time pressure 1802 01:58:41.070 --> 01:58:44.520 we've put you under frustrating for your process. 1803 01:58:44.520 --> 01:58:45.462 Yes. 1804 01:58:45.462 --> 01:58:46.590 (both laughing) 1805 01:58:46.590 --> 01:58:48.590 We love frustrating you, sorry. 1806 01:58:49.620 --> 01:58:51.093 No, it's okay. 1807 01:58:52.499 --> 01:58:55.890 I think, yeah, it helps to know how much time you have 1808 01:58:55.890 --> 01:58:59.250 in order to know what you can do, 1809 01:58:59.250 --> 01:59:00.083 but you can always like, oh, 1810 01:59:00.083 --> 01:59:04.795 like I can go home and do more, you know, like. 1811 01:59:04.795 --> 01:59:07.140 Yeah, I think, I mean, I think two hours 1812 01:59:07.140 --> 01:59:09.210 is sort of a, it is a journey, isn't it? 1813 01:59:09.210 --> 01:59:13.380 It's not about being able to get something finished down, 1814 01:59:13.380 --> 01:59:15.660 but I'm hoping that people have managed 1815 01:59:15.660 --> 01:59:17.430 to experiment a little bit. 1816 01:59:17.430 --> 01:59:18.880 I reckon that's us, Caroline. 1817 01:59:18.880 --> 01:59:20.130 Yeah? Yeah. 1818 01:59:20.130 --> 01:59:23.280 I reckon, I'm gonna try and turn off these lights, 1819 01:59:23.280 --> 01:59:25.380 and we're gonna have a little look, 1820 01:59:25.380 --> 01:59:30.090 give Sonya a stretch, and if I turn down the lights 1821 01:59:30.090 --> 01:59:31.950 a little bit on us, sorry, Marky, 1822 01:59:31.950 --> 01:59:33.720 we look like we've gone into the dark. 1823 01:59:33.720 --> 01:59:35.490 That means that when we come round, 1824 01:59:35.490 --> 01:59:38.340 have a stretch, how's your leg? 1825 01:59:38.340 --> 01:59:39.960 We can come round and have a little look up 1826 01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:41.403 at this screen over here, 1827 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:44.908 and Mark might be able to get our shot behind us. 1828 01:59:44.908 --> 01:59:45.870 I don't know if they can. 1829 01:59:45.870 --> 01:59:49.440 Come in, Sonya, come in, and you can have a look, 1830 01:59:49.440 --> 01:59:53.133 if people would like to hold up their creations. 1831 01:59:53.970 --> 01:59:54.803 Gill. 1832 01:59:54.803 --> 01:59:55.636 Yes. Move forward. 1833 01:59:55.636 --> 01:59:56.469 Oh, sorry. Keep coming forward. 1834 01:59:56.469 --> 01:59:58.050 You just gotta shout at me if I'm in the wrong spot. 1835 01:59:58.050 --> 01:59:59.370 Everyone's hiding behind me. 1836 01:59:59.370 --> 02:00:02.190 Sonya's hiding behind me, come forward. 1837 02:00:02.190 --> 02:00:03.180 Here we go. 1838 02:00:03.180 --> 02:00:05.310 Wow, they're brilliant. 1839 02:00:05.310 --> 02:00:06.760 Oh, they're so good. 1840 02:00:07.860 --> 02:00:09.600 Look at you! 1841 02:00:09.600 --> 02:00:11.460 It's like, it's like looking at you 1842 02:00:11.460 --> 02:00:13.850 through their eyes of a, is it a fly? (laughs) 1843 02:00:13.850 --> 02:00:15.904 Someone gave- 1844 02:00:15.904 --> 02:00:17.100 That doesn't sound very good, doesn't it? 1845 02:00:17.100 --> 02:00:19.410 Someone gave you sunglasses. 1846 02:00:19.410 --> 02:00:21.780 That's awesome. Which is very cool. 1847 02:00:21.780 --> 02:00:24.423 Oh look, that's fantastic! 1848 02:00:25.260 --> 02:00:27.990 Great work, everybody. Yeah, really incredible. 1849 02:00:27.990 --> 02:00:30.510 Oh my gosh, I can see some hyper-real. 1850 02:00:30.510 --> 02:00:33.873 I can see some painterly in there. 1851 02:00:35.940 --> 02:00:37.203 This is terrific. 1852 02:00:38.190 --> 02:00:39.903 Thank you so much, everyone. 1853 02:00:40.860 --> 02:00:43.320 Please share, share, share with us 1854 02:00:43.320 --> 02:00:44.700 if you feel comfortable, if you don't- 1855 02:00:44.700 --> 02:00:46.410 Love Erica Campbell's. 1856 02:00:46.410 --> 02:00:48.150 I'm just trying to see if that, 1857 02:00:48.150 --> 02:00:51.893 the squares move around so fast, so it's, yeah. 1858 02:00:56.070 --> 02:00:59.347 Jacques, yeah, trying to see. 1859 02:01:01.141 --> 02:01:03.660 Harry's, I mean, they all look amazing. 1860 02:01:03.660 --> 02:01:05.850 It's amazing that you can get, like, 1861 02:01:05.850 --> 02:01:07.660 everyone's can look so different 1862 02:01:08.802 --> 02:01:12.240 and so nuanced, you know? 1863 02:01:12.240 --> 02:01:14.490 Oh, nice one, Tina, that's terrific. 1864 02:01:14.490 --> 02:01:15.323 Yeah. 1865 02:01:16.740 --> 02:01:19.650 And Paul, that's fantastic, too. 1866 02:01:19.650 --> 02:01:20.483 Yeah, wow. 1867 02:01:20.483 --> 02:01:21.316 Look at them all. 1868 02:01:21.316 --> 02:01:22.500 I can't call out everybody's names. 1869 02:01:22.500 --> 02:01:25.353 They're all brilliant, Al's iPad there. 1870 02:01:28.350 --> 02:01:29.523 Rosa. Wow. 1871 02:01:31.230 --> 02:01:32.266 Yeah, I think it was- Michael. 1872 02:01:32.266 --> 02:01:33.184 Thank you. a brilliant choice 1873 02:01:33.184 --> 02:01:34.413 of dress colour. 1874 02:01:34.413 --> 02:01:35.330 Ah, good work. 1875 02:01:35.330 --> 02:01:36.163 As well. 1876 02:01:36.163 --> 02:01:37.486 It was your choice. (laughs) 1877 02:01:37.486 --> 02:01:39.524 Yeah, oh, oops. (laughs) 1878 02:01:39.524 --> 02:01:41.130 (all laughing) 1879 02:01:41.130 --> 02:01:43.230 Oh, lovely, Irene. 1880 02:01:43.230 --> 02:01:44.430 Yeah. 1881 02:01:44.430 --> 02:01:46.560 Oh, look at that punchy one up at the top there. 1882 02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:48.090 We keep losing people's names. 1883 02:01:48.090 --> 02:01:51.540 Yeah, and down, this one on the corner. 1884 02:01:51.540 --> 02:01:54.090 Anyway, yeah, they're all brilliant, they're all... 1885 02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:57.030 Thank you, everybody. 1886 02:01:57.030 --> 02:01:59.280 All right, I'm afraid we're gonna have to say goodbye. 1887 02:01:59.280 --> 02:02:01.530 I don't know which camera I'm looking at or where I am. 1888 02:02:01.530 --> 02:02:03.270 There I am, that camera! 1889 02:02:03.270 --> 02:02:07.380 So everyone's hiding behind me. (laughs) 1890 02:02:07.380 --> 02:02:09.450 On behalf of the National Portrait Gallery, 1891 02:02:09.450 --> 02:02:11.430 thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. 1892 02:02:11.430 --> 02:02:13.680 I tell you what, it's given me the energy 1893 02:02:13.680 --> 02:02:14.700 to leap into my day, 1894 02:02:14.700 --> 02:02:17.220 so I hope it's done the same for you as well. 1895 02:02:17.220 --> 02:02:18.510 Thank you so much for being 1896 02:02:18.510 --> 02:02:21.630 such a brilliant model for us today, Sonya. 1897 02:02:21.630 --> 02:02:24.491 Everybody really enjoyed drawing you, and thank you, 1898 02:02:24.491 --> 02:02:25.431 so much. Thank you. 1899 02:02:25.431 --> 02:02:27.240 Thanks Sonya, thanks, Gillian. For all of your insights, 1900 02:02:27.240 --> 02:02:29.310 for everything, Caroline, that was so much fun. 1901 02:02:29.310 --> 02:02:30.660 Thank you, I really appreciate it, 1902 02:02:30.660 --> 02:02:32.160 and I hope we haven't traumatised you too much. 1903 02:02:32.160 --> 02:02:34.110 No, not at all, yeah. 1904 02:02:34.110 --> 02:02:36.000 Thank you, everybody, please jump on our website, 1905 02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:38.550 portrait.gov.au for all of the programmes 1906 02:02:38.550 --> 02:02:39.720 that we've got coming up. 1907 02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:41.850 Tag us, @portraitau, on social media 1908 02:02:41.850 --> 02:02:44.880 so you can share all your wonderful drawings with us. 1909 02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:47.940 And yeah, everybody's been asking about our recording, 1910 02:02:47.940 --> 02:02:49.320 but we'll talk to you about that afterwards, 1911 02:02:49.320 --> 02:02:50.520 and we'll see how we go. 1912 02:02:50.520 --> 02:02:54.690 So thank you, everybody, and join us next time, please. 1913 02:02:54.690 --> 02:02:56.130 We've loved having you, thank you. 1914 02:02:56.130 --> 02:02:57.333 Take care, bye-bye.