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<v ->Can you just tell us why you chose John</v>

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and how the portrait came to be?

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<v ->John is a very unique character</v>

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so I really wanted to capture that uniqueness.

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And every time we meet,

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he's come up with like multiple schemes and ideas

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and, you know, very vivid imagination.

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I wanted to capture his vulnerability

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and therefore I disrobed him for the painting.

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<v ->I'm Caroline's muse and I've met her a few years ago</v>

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and we've had lots of fun together

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and she asked to paint my portrait.

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I sat down and she said, "Could you take your shirt off?"

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I said, "Yes."

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She said, "Do you wanna take your trousers off?"

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I said, "No."

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(woman laughs)

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And she just did it.

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<v ->With the carpet,</v>

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it's like a garden surrounding the menorah,

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'cause John is Jewish.

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So that signifies his Jewish faith,

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but also like the flowering garden

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of all his harebrained ideas.

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<v ->Thanks for that.</v>

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(woman laughs)
<v ->Yeah.</v>

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But also we've often like had conversations about,

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you know, that we've both had the opportunity

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to live sort of two lives in one lifetime.

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So I called it "Man with Two Lives."

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And, yeah, the empty chair sort of represents, you know,

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like the jabbling of a person and you know, the opportunity,

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you know, to move from one to another type of being.

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And I think that's something we have in common

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that we've both talked about and experienced.

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